Yeah i read... It sucks that he never had the opportunity to contribute. It's sadder when he didn't do anything wrong. And are you showing simphathy towards the Eagles? Their not even human in my eyes. The Cowboys? Maybe, depending on the injury. The Redskins(minus the quaterback) and all other 28 teams? Yeah. But not the Eagles. Michael Dick cannot win a SB. Or all those puppies he brutally slaughtered will basically be pissed on if he does. And i get angry when i watch and see the Mavericks lose.. and i hate Basketball. I almost cried with joy when i read that article.
You know i hate disagreeing with you man as you are usually right and it's pointless. But just this time i'll have to respectfully disagree with you, or at least somewhat. Let's just place their characters aside, since you know Eli should practically wear a white robe and grow a beard. He is just an incredibably nice person. While i disagree with his strong religion stance, i respect him so much for almost never making a big deal about it and basically leaving it at the door. Vick on the other hand... Well, let's just leave it at he is on the other side of the spectrum.
If he doesn't slide at the end of his runs or doesn't run out of bounds and continues to take hits from Linebackers, yes, his running is certainly a detriment rather than an asset. But in these past two years he has not been running with as much risk, and has said that he is consciously making effort to keep his body safe.
How does Eli Manning avoid the sack? It's certainly not his intelligence or his ability to read defenses, because if that were actually any good he wouldn't have unxpected pressure in his face, and he would have thrown it off to his hot read already (Which is what Peyton and Brady do, and it's how they make poor lineman look rather good). Eli on the other hand throws the ball away just before he gets hit, and is good at extending plays by avoiding the first contact or sliding it off him. That doesn't prevent the various incoming hits from happening just as much as Vick's style doesn't. The hit still happens, and now we'd just argue about semantics in to which brand of hit is harder. A linebacker hitting you as you're running/sliding, or a DEnd hitting you while you're standing upright after a pass. Point is it's a myth that Running QB's get hit more often than not. However, the running QB exposes himself to injuries to the knees and so forth that will affect their ability to play for a whole season (i.e. to their knees and ankles and so forth), which is certainly a disadvantage, but it's not because they take more hits, it's rather the style of hits.
Barring some career ending injury, the Athletic players will last longer than most because they keep their body in shape. You think it's magic that keeps Randy Moss at the level at which he plays for so long? Do you think it was pure willpower that kept Jerry Rice in the league for 20 years? No. These guys keep their bodies at peak physical condition, and that makes it easier for them to keep coming back and playing at a high level. Eli doesn't have that kind of body. In reality the thing that keeps Running QBs out of the league is that they can't rely on their legs as much, and it exposes them as poor pocket passers. However, Vick is out there showing that he can stay in the pocket and pass well, as did Elway in his time, or Steve Young or many of those other types of players.
Both are evasive in the same way. Eli ducks and slides away from pressure, and his escape is very subtle and minimalistic, whereas Vick just outruns everyone. Both use their feet, and both will be unable to rely on such a tactic as they get older. Neither read Defenses exceptionally well (You think Eli does, but he does not) and both are calm under pressure (and they should be when almost 40% of their dropbacks last season came under pressure).
Lol you're homering pretty bad now, lets not get carried away.
couldnt be further from the truth, if we're talking shit like speed, quickness, jump height and strength, many "athletic" players flame out because they become content with their athleticism and dont put enough effort into their conditioning.
If you think Vick/Moss don't work out as much as the other player's in the league then you are misguided. The work out freaks are always the ones who are the best, but they never get praised for their work ethic off the field, since we only see what they do on the field. That's why Moss is viewed as lazy despite being one of the hardest goddamn workers in the game when it comes to off the field practice. And people always underestimate this about the NFL. They think hard work isn't what gets these players to the top, but rather just magic talent that has been handed down to them.
It also helps that they're WRs, arguably the least physical position on the field. Yes, TO is a specimen of peak physical condition, but he also doesn't play in the trenches and both he and Moss are notorious for taking plays off. Rice was the same way, except he always gave it 100%. He also benefited from receiving passes from Montana and Young, 2 of the most intelligent and accurate passers of all time, QBs that rarely if ever left him out to dry to get smacked by a DB.
Is that so? If he scrambles once in a while like Rodgers, then i'd be fine with it. But like i said his speed gives a very good reason to put himself in needless harm. But if you say that his focus has changed on not getting brought down, then he might be able to last all 16 games. But i'm not totally convinced he has it down to a science.
I'll let you compare Elway to Vick, but remember the three most consistent/"healthiest" quaterbacks in NFL history are all almost identical: Brett Favre, Peyton Manning and Eli. Eli being the third quaterback with most consecutive starts and the only one in the top 5 whos streak is alive. Like you said, career ending injury aside, Eli is the only quaterback playing right now that can ever hope to beat Favre(though to be honest in all likelihood Eli will retire after winning a SB..). So in terms of potential longevity, Eli has no current equal and doesn't need to be incredibably athletic. And your point only works if you assume Vick is as talented as Rice/Moss... Which i don't exactly believe right now.
Are you not contradicting yourself here? You call Elis movements "minimalistic" and "subtle" yet you also go on to say that he won't be able to do this in say 5 years? If you think about it, Elis playing style fits what an older quaterback could do without overextending themselves. Unless you think it takes that much effort? To be clear, not many people could do it, just that i don't think age will deprive him of the sufficient amount of energy to move around in a way you called "minimalistic". And by older, i'm assuming Eli will not play beyond 38.
Remember one word: McCoy. Eli had the misfortune of a nearly non existant running game. So his passing stats suffered because of that(which is insane if you think about it).Give Eli a dangerous running game and i don't think this comparison will happen again. Though i won't predict anything(*cough*mvp*cough*) and going with this year only i guess i'll accept the comparison.. for now.
Tebow untalented??? He may not be the most accurate passer in the world but is far from lacking talent. Though his exercises confuse me. I saw him pushing a car... In what situation would a quaterback ever need the ability to push something?
Eli's movements are still quick movements, they just aren't dramatic. As he gets older he'll lose that Quickness. I would be surprised if Eli was still able to dodge defenders with the ease that he does now in a few years time.
His stats suffered? The Giants poor running game made his stats go up because Eli had to throw the ball more often. Vick on the other hand had a running game, and his stats look very low because of it (Eli's 4900 yards to Vick's 3300). On a per attempt basis the two even out around 8 yards iirc, and in terms of Accuracy, Vick is a stunningly ridiculous accurate passer when not under pressure, and he's actually just above average when pressure, Eli's the opposite, he's stunningly accurate under pressure, and only above average when not which puts the two of them even when averaged out. Further the two throw the long ball often (13% of Vick's passes were past 20 yards, and 18% of Eli's were), and are similarly accurate (Vick has the edge by 5% or something). My comparison's were not because anything inhibited or inflated one way or the other, my comparisons were rather general and had nothing to do with their performance, but rather their playstyles.
Hey now, Terrell Owens will not have you sullying his good name being put in that bum's company. (Moss of course, not Rice.) :jump: TO's work ethic has always been his strong suit. No matter how much of a dickbag locker room cancer he used to be, he put 110% effort into his game both on and off the field.
Bro uh, Vick flat out said he didnt watch tape, didnt care about his diet and rarely worked out while in Atlanta
After watching a number of replays of him "blocking" downfield while in Buffalo, I have to strongly disagree.
Yeah, and he sucked. Which is my point. Now he works, and now he's actually good.
What loophole? The season was uncapped, I'm sure every team knew the season was uncapped. It's not the Cowboys and Redskins' faults that the NFL decided to have an uncapped season and that they happen to be the richest teams in the NFL. I'm not sure just how far they went with their money, but neither of them won the Super Bowl, so it couldn't have been too bad?
