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i'm sorry mr. man
Well, now that UU has banned lopunnite we can say farewell to the broken bunny. Hopefully with that and Galladite gone we can have a balanced tier :)
or better this oneLets discuss now Cresselia Superb bulk and premier tank in the meta.
Nah, I can't see this really happening. Don't get me wrong, Cress is easily one of the biggest threats in the tier but there are enough checks to it, and I can't see it as broken. Especially with the drop of Houndoom being one more dark type that is immune to its stab moves and threatens it.Maybe I'm in the minority but I can see Cresselia getting BL2 like in BW2. It's just so bulky ;-; anyone else?
If thats Mega Pidgeot I´ll be glad to discuss it.or better this one
Cress unlike Moltres have a million of solid counters, which actually beats Cresselia with no damage and are really viable. See Escavalier, SB Meloetta, Drapion, Skuntank or Doublade, these ones are the most close to counter Cresselia but pretty sure you can use stuff like Houndoom as offensive check to Cress on more offensive teams oriented, i guess people just struggle to beat bulky mons with a nice utility as Cresselia but which are easily to wall, stall and to beat in the end.Maybe I'm in the minority but I can see Cresselia getting BL2 like in BW2. It's just so bulky ;-; anyone else?
Id say there arent many counters to cresselya since support movest cripple dark offensive pokemons on the switch. Its still risky switch with my dark types. My main problem is that with that bulk he takes too long to die and meanwhile he can cripple or wear down the enemy. If i just send another thank, it needs to be a phazer or it just set up in your face.Cress unlike Moltres have a million of solid counters, which actually beats Cresselia with no damage and are really viable. See Escavalier, SB Meloetta, Drapion, Skuntank or Doublade, these ones are the most close to counter Cresselia but pretty sure you can use stuff like Houndoom as offensive check to Cress on more offensive teams oriented, i guess people just struggle to beat bulky mons with a nice utility as Cresselia but which are easily to wall, stall and to beat in the end.
If you're using a support cress is definitely less scary than other variants, not only dark types beats cresselia thoId say there arent many counters to cresselya since support movest cripple dark offensive pokemons on the switch. Its still risky switch with my dark types. My main problem is that with that bulk he takes too long to die and meanwhile he can cripple or wear down the enemy. If i just send another thank, it needs to be a phazer or it just set up in your face.
Because Liepard has gotten pretty predictable these days. It's still good against "bad players", but no good player is going to Belly Drum on a Liepard knowing it could be carrying Encore.Hi, so i'm not on too often but ive played some ORAS RU to know a few things, but something that has been puzzling my mind is why Liepard is ranked so low or doesn't see much usage ? Prankster encore is powerful af vs many threats on the RU tier (maybe even more than NU which i play very often). Also being a faster pursuit trapper than Doom has its pros and access to Knock off for pursuit/sucker punch/ knock off mind games can be very good. It also has U-turn for momentum and you can even go for taunt instead of encore (although why would you ?) and priority T-wave which can be a life saver.
I know it lacks the coverage that doom may have but it has a lot of pros that Doom lacks as a pursuit trapper and "stall breaking" capabilities (not really a stall breaker but you can encore cress/Crodino/reuniclus on status moves/CM, sharpedo on protect, setup sweepers on boosting moves like pango on SD, slurpuff on BD, or encore Sub users like scept etc.).
Also i know that Whimsi can do the same encore annoying thing with some useful resistances but compared to doom on paper it seems a bit better and even though doom takes neutral damage from moon blast its not that bulky.
Just more an inquiry than anything else, if someone could clear my thoughts id appreciate it.
yeah seemed to me more like it was outclassed by whimsi and its frailty, just thought it was a decent answer for cress/stall/setup sweepers. thnx Afro smashI dont think that's the reason, just because you know its encore can stop a set up, doesn't stop it stopping it.
The more likely reason is its pure dark typing low defenses make it harder to fit on a team than skuntank or drapion, which also have better utility.
Its not a bad mon but its niche isnt generally big enough to warrant a place on most ru teams, especially when whimsicott is readily available.
I've had enough of hearing this, honestly. Bulky psychics are a NIGHTMARE to deal with in every tier. Cresselia don't give a shit about your super effective move unless it's STAB. And Bug/Ghost STAB is not common whatsoever (there are like 5 usable ghosts from NU to OU, come on...). Dark is the only type Psychics really have to be afraid of.Hopping in on the Cresselia discussion for a moment. Yes, Cresselia is quite possibly THE bulkiest Pokemon in the tier. Levitate means that it's totally immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes, which can make it even harder to wear down. However, there are a couple of things that really hold Cresselia back. First of all, that Psychic-typing is complete garbage defensively. Levitate grants it a Ground immunity and the only notable resistance it gets out of its typing is Fighting. Compound this with a weakness to Bug, Ghost, and DARK and you have a really fat mon that gets held back by its typing more than it would like.
Your arguments are pretty convincing. Good examples how underused mons counter her such as Abomasnow or Rhyperior, this proves how not only dark types check this thing. Id like to addd more but i think besides Cresselia just beign extremly bulky and unpredictability of its sets shutting down offensive or stall to some degree Cress is only a very good pokemon, but I´m not sure worth suspect.I don't think Cresselia is a huge problem either, but I agree with the above that calling its defensive typing garbage is a pretty big stretch. Psychic-type is about average in my opinion; if Cresselia was say Bug or Ice that point would hold more merit, but it doesn't. I'll offer this as to why I don't believe Cresselia is suspect worthy though: to me, something that's suspect worthy has to be able to shift the meta in some form, heavily restrict choice, or cause some form of disruption, such as Mega Gallade discouraging the use of defensive teams, Mega Lopunny discouraging more offensive ones, Zoroark turning matches into a guessing game turn one, or Yanmega mandating the use of very specific checks etc. Now whether or not these things are perceived as too much or a problem is the question of whether or not the thing is ban worthy. I don't really feel like Cresselia does any of that. I believe that it's equally a threat to offensive and more defensive playstyles depending on the set; however, it is manageable for both due to the wide variety of viable checks that also have a ton of utility outside of beating Cresselia, such as Escavalier, Drapion, Doublade, etc. Even outside of these types of Pokemon, there are other ways to bring it down. I've been able to exploit Cresselia's lackluster recovery move, Moonlight, with Mega Abomasnow's hail, and I just had Mega Abomasnow set up a Swords Dance and overpower it. Cresselia's general passivity has also became apparent when you can use less-obvious checks such as Megahorn Rhyperior which can easily shrug off a Psychic and do a significant amount of damage back. Even notwithstanding the above, if Cresselia were to never exist in the tier, you'd still be using the same Pokemon that check it due to the presence of other powerful Psychic-types or because they're simply good at what they do; odds are, if your team can't handle Cresselia, it's probably going to have a rough time with Reuniclus or Meloetta as well.