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OP Stolen from the UU thread who stole it from the OU thread (op by ginganinja)
Standard and common sets are generally effective. After all, that's why they're common and standard. But sometimes a less-common set can be effective. In fact, brand-new sets can be quite effective as well. This thread is for new and creative movesets that can be quite effective, as well as old movesets that have fallen out of favor but have become quite effective in the UU metagame.
What is a new and creative, good moveset?
Poliwrath @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 184 HP / 252 SpA / 72 Spe
Modest Nature
- Focus Blast
- Hydro Pump
- Vacuum Wave
- Ice Beam
Poliwraths great offensive and defensive typing allows it to become a check to some of the scariest pokemon in the tier, eg sneasel, bouffalant and tauros. This set not only allows it to abuse a Fighting STAB (Circle throw never has enough power and focus punch is way too unreliable) but it also packs a punch. Another great thing about this set is its ability to lure and 2HKO both Tangela and Gourgeist with Ice Beam.
What is an underrated, good moveset?
Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Soft-Boiled
- Moonblast
- Flamethrower
Although i have managed to hype this set a lot, it is still criminally underrated. Fairy is a great typing and with eviolite, Clefairy can set up on a lot of top tier threats. Magic guard gives it the opportunity to set up on defensive pokemon that use status to try and beat other pokemon. Calm mind gives it bulk and lets it set up on special attackers so max defense it used to give it better mixed bulk
If you post a shitty gimmick, your post will be deleted and infracted, NO EXCEPTIONS.
What are some things that constitute a shitty gimmick?
e: If you post a shitty gimmick, be prepared to be shown a screen shot of the title
e2: also storing my sets here to free space in archive
CroClops
Sub Salac Sawsbuck
Zen Headbutt Carracosta
Scarf Aurorus:
Aurorus @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Freeze-Dry
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock / Flash Cannon / Sleep Talk
This was a lot better before the drops as it could mess with sub bouff and revenge kill scyther, i still feel it is niche in this meta as a pawniard bait. Scarf aurorus still is pretty slow but it has enough speed to beat base 110, being tauros, jumpluff, and raichu, and baits all of them in. The reason i like this set is that it gives a slow wallbreaker speed to let it screw over pokes trying to revenge kill it (your grass types face when), and it is also a nice way to revenge kill faster sub users (haunter for example), but unfortunately when scarf is revealed its surprise factor goes, however can still be used as a revenge killer. It has amazing coverage with its first moves so in the last slot either use flash cannon to hit pilo, or stealth rock for good utility. Sleep talk can be used but it is a bit risky switching this into grass types
252 SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Tauros: 237-279 (81.4 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raichu: 190-225 (72.7 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Aurorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 222-262 (96.1 - 113.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 107-126 (46.3 - 54.5%) -- 61.3% chance to 2HKO
Still decently strong as shown
OP Stolen from the UU thread who stole it from the OU thread (op by ginganinja)
Standard and common sets are generally effective. After all, that's why they're common and standard. But sometimes a less-common set can be effective. In fact, brand-new sets can be quite effective as well. This thread is for new and creative movesets that can be quite effective, as well as old movesets that have fallen out of favor but have become quite effective in the UU metagame.
What is a new and creative, good moveset?
- It successfully pulls off a role, and is not strictly outclassed by others.
- It takes advantage of metagame trends.
- It has had some success. Post replays / logs to strengthen your case.
Poliwrath @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 184 HP / 252 SpA / 72 Spe
Modest Nature
- Focus Blast
- Hydro Pump
- Vacuum Wave
- Ice Beam
Poliwraths great offensive and defensive typing allows it to become a check to some of the scariest pokemon in the tier, eg sneasel, bouffalant and tauros. This set not only allows it to abuse a Fighting STAB (Circle throw never has enough power and focus punch is way too unreliable) but it also packs a punch. Another great thing about this set is its ability to lure and 2HKO both Tangela and Gourgeist with Ice Beam.
What is an underrated, good moveset?
- It is an existing set that for whatever reason isn't common.
- Its use is meant to prey on specific facets of the metagame.
- It might be able to surprise and demolish Pokemon that normally counter the usual sets, but does not become a gimmick in order to do so.
Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Soft-Boiled
- Moonblast
- Flamethrower
Although i have managed to hype this set a lot, it is still criminally underrated. Fairy is a great typing and with eviolite, Clefairy can set up on a lot of top tier threats. Magic guard gives it the opportunity to set up on defensive pokemon that use status to try and beat other pokemon. Calm mind gives it bulk and lets it set up on special attackers so max defense it used to give it better mixed bulk
If you post a shitty gimmick, your post will be deleted and infracted, NO EXCEPTIONS.
What are some things that constitute a shitty gimmick?
- Using a Pokemon that has no business being used in PU, for the sake of using it in PU.
- Movesets that are inferior and ineffective compared to existing movesets, or use an obscure move for the sake of hitting an even more obscure check or counter.
- Movesets that are utterly impractacle or are horribly outclassed by another Pokemon. Pokemon such as Beautifly may seem cool, but there is no reason to use it over Butterfree
e: If you post a shitty gimmick, be prepared to be shown a screen shot of the title
e2: also storing my sets here to free space in archive
CroClops
Here is (another) /fun/ wincon for stall:
Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Modest Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
This set plays the same way as crocune/crobink do; spam calm mind and and restalk against a weak attacker and gg. Seriously, unlike other stall wincons, this thing is a lot harder to break. Heck it sets up on (the broken) tauros:
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 51-60 (17.9 - 21.1%) -- possible 5HKO
It also sets up on pretty much every defensive pokemon in the game; lickilicky, poliwrath, roselia, non-roar piloswine. And even a lot of offensive ones;
252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 67-81 (23.5 - 28.5%) -- 94.2% chance to 4HKO - lolpls
Dark Pulse and Ice beam are slashed first as unlike Shadow Ball, they dont have immunities, meaning you can set up on stuff like lickilicky and tauros then beat them. This biggest threats to this set are ones which stall try and beats; sneasel and missy. There are other strong attackers than threaten to break it like marowak and rampardos, but once you get them out of the way, its pretty much a sweep. You also have to be careful of set up sweepers like ninetales (a big reason i prefer dark pulse), as it can wina 1 on 1 against it if at high health.
252+ SpA Sheer Force Mega Camerupt Fire Blast vs. +2 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 75-88 (26.4 - 30.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Strongest spatcker in the tier? You can outspeed it and set it up on the switch (it is a common switch in as they often expect the wisp).
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Modest Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
This set plays the same way as crocune/crobink do; spam calm mind and and restalk against a weak attacker and gg. Seriously, unlike other stall wincons, this thing is a lot harder to break. Heck it sets up on (the broken) tauros:
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 51-60 (17.9 - 21.1%) -- possible 5HKO
It also sets up on pretty much every defensive pokemon in the game; lickilicky, poliwrath, roselia, non-roar piloswine. And even a lot of offensive ones;
252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 67-81 (23.5 - 28.5%) -- 94.2% chance to 4HKO - lolpls
Dark Pulse and Ice beam are slashed first as unlike Shadow Ball, they dont have immunities, meaning you can set up on stuff like lickilicky and tauros then beat them. This biggest threats to this set are ones which stall try and beats; sneasel and missy. There are other strong attackers than threaten to break it like marowak and rampardos, but once you get them out of the way, its pretty much a sweep. You also have to be careful of set up sweepers like ninetales (a big reason i prefer dark pulse), as it can wina 1 on 1 against it if at high health.
252+ SpA Sheer Force Mega Camerupt Fire Blast vs. +2 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 75-88 (26.4 - 30.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Strongest spatcker in the tier? You can outspeed it and set it up on the switch (it is a common switch in as they often expect the wisp).
Sub Salac Sawsbuck
Here is a fun set i've been using:
Sawsbuck @ Salac Berry
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 30 HP
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Horn Leech
- Return
Its main job to to get a sweep late game after checks and counters are dead. It is played like sub salac simipour/swoobat; you go for a sub on something weak/status, which is particularly easy for Sawsbuck, as it baits the will-o-wisp better. You then start spamming swords dance and substitute to get to your salac berry, and from their, if you have played it write and ko'd its counters, you sweep. The IVs let you get the salac berry after 3 subs, which is nice for tanking weak priorities like costa's aqua jet. Adamant can be used, but you will lose to scarf haunter always and scarf rotom-f. The main reason to use it over leafeon is its normal stab, as the main thing leafeon's Knock off beats is gourgeist, which you beat with substitute. The main checks are scarfers; haunter speed ties, and destroys you from full health, whilst you also ohko at +2 with a bit of chip damage, tauros, scyther and raichu also outspeed and revenge kill you. Sneasek/piloswine are also annoying if you dont have a sub. Tangela/metang/klang/avalugg are the only pokes to properly wall you, however the non steels take about half from a +2 return. I originally made this set on a gimmicky team where i paired with choice specs licki which can beat the earlier counters with fire blast.
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 30 HP
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Horn Leech
- Return
Its main job to to get a sweep late game after checks and counters are dead. It is played like sub salac simipour/swoobat; you go for a sub on something weak/status, which is particularly easy for Sawsbuck, as it baits the will-o-wisp better. You then start spamming swords dance and substitute to get to your salac berry, and from their, if you have played it write and ko'd its counters, you sweep. The IVs let you get the salac berry after 3 subs, which is nice for tanking weak priorities like costa's aqua jet. Adamant can be used, but you will lose to scarf haunter always and scarf rotom-f. The main reason to use it over leafeon is its normal stab, as the main thing leafeon's Knock off beats is gourgeist, which you beat with substitute. The main checks are scarfers; haunter speed ties, and destroys you from full health, whilst you also ohko at +2 with a bit of chip damage, tauros, scyther and raichu also outspeed and revenge kill you. Sneasek/piloswine are also annoying if you dont have a sub. Tangela/metang/klang/avalugg are the only pokes to properly wall you, however the non steels take about half from a +2 return. I originally made this set on a gimmicky team where i paired with choice specs licki which can beat the earlier counters with fire blast.
Zen Headbutt Carracosta
Time for some innovation!
Carracosta @ Life Orb
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Zen Headbutt
Isnt it a shame that carracosta gets walled by the best pokemon in the tier? Well not anymore. Zen Headbutt lets it crush the bulkiest of wrath:
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Poliwrath: 325-385 (84.6 - 100.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
That is restalk which is like its 4th best set, and its hard to keep at full throughout the battle. Now look at subpunch:
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Zen Headbutt vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 455-538 (122.6 - 145%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And now their check is gone. Looking at costa's move set, the most expendable move is definitely waterfall, as it is mainly for accuracy, as of the things that resists rock, steel is existent, fighting looses to zen, and ground looses to aqua jet (partially, and who is going into ground types to check costa?). I know what you responce might be, 'why not use hp flying and hit tangela', well thats because firstly, it just doesnt do enough (about 70% to subpunch wrath), and secondly, you cannot use aqua jet, which is what makes costa such a threat to offensive teams, who will often rely on poliwrath to check it. Also hits throh pretty hard i guess.
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Zen Headbutt
Isnt it a shame that carracosta gets walled by the best pokemon in the tier? Well not anymore. Zen Headbutt lets it crush the bulkiest of wrath:
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Poliwrath: 325-385 (84.6 - 100.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
That is restalk which is like its 4th best set, and its hard to keep at full throughout the battle. Now look at subpunch:
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Zen Headbutt vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 455-538 (122.6 - 145%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And now their check is gone. Looking at costa's move set, the most expendable move is definitely waterfall, as it is mainly for accuracy, as of the things that resists rock, steel is existent, fighting looses to zen, and ground looses to aqua jet (partially, and who is going into ground types to check costa?). I know what you responce might be, 'why not use hp flying and hit tangela', well thats because firstly, it just doesnt do enough (about 70% to subpunch wrath), and secondly, you cannot use aqua jet, which is what makes costa such a threat to offensive teams, who will often rely on poliwrath to check it. Also hits throh pretty hard i guess.
Scarf Aurorus:
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Freeze-Dry
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock / Flash Cannon / Sleep Talk
This was a lot better before the drops as it could mess with sub bouff and revenge kill scyther, i still feel it is niche in this meta as a pawniard bait. Scarf aurorus still is pretty slow but it has enough speed to beat base 110, being tauros, jumpluff, and raichu, and baits all of them in. The reason i like this set is that it gives a slow wallbreaker speed to let it screw over pokes trying to revenge kill it (your grass types face when), and it is also a nice way to revenge kill faster sub users (haunter for example), but unfortunately when scarf is revealed its surprise factor goes, however can still be used as a revenge killer. It has amazing coverage with its first moves so in the last slot either use flash cannon to hit pilo, or stealth rock for good utility. Sleep talk can be used but it is a bit risky switching this into grass types
252 SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Tauros: 237-279 (81.4 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raichu: 190-225 (72.7 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Aurorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 222-262 (96.1 - 113.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Refrigerate Aurorus Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 107-126 (46.3 - 54.5%) -- 61.3% chance to 2HKO
Still decently strong as shown
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