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Very shortly, we'll be opening VGC 2022 analyses in full swing for the on-site Dex. However, due to the extended nature of VGC 2022, we'll be looking to write longer analyses than we've been having. In the meantime, we need sample sets!! And that's where you come in, this thread is for you to submit sets to have on the dex while the full analyses are being written.
How to submit
Please use the following format when submitting a set. Do Not Use Pokemon Showdown Exportables!!!
[SET COMMENTS]
* if you're using a complex EV spread or a non-obvious move (why would Regieleki run Bounce???) explain those here in
* use asterisks as bullet points for all comments. Keep any comments to a minimum and as short as possible!!
After making your submission, one of Giokio, yuki, or zee will either upload your set, ask for some tweaks, or decline the submission. Since the metagame is still rapidly evolving we won't have any restrictions as of now, but you all know what high priority sets are: top performing Restricted Pokemon, Incineroar, Regieleki, Landorus-T, etc.
For transparency, QC team members must have their sets verified. Forum mods can upload directly but a post logging your submissions would be appreciated.
You may submit as many or as little sets as you like, but have some common sense and use the edit button (mark new submissions with New Submission) instead of posting 10 times in a row.
[SET]
name: Trick Room Attacker
move 1: Glacial Lance
move 2: High Horsepower
move 3: Trick Room / Heavy Slam
move 4: Protect / Trick Room
item: Weakness Policy / Life Orb
ability: As One (Glastrier)
nature: Brave
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe
[SET]
name: Assault Vest
move 1: Glacial Lance
move 2: High Horsepower
move 3: Heavy Slam
move 4: Close Combat / Seed Bomb
item: Assault Vest
ability: As One (Glastrier)
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Hello everyone! I mentioned a while ago on Discord that I was going to do this after I cleared up some Battle Stadium Singles work, and now's the time! I really want to do anything I can to help get VGC stuff onsite, especially with the very poor state VGC info on the internet is in atm, and C&C's general sluggish state! I'm not a great VGC player (and may not have the best EV spreads), but I've played VGC Series 12 enough to have a general gist of what's used. I used a combination of usage stats, VR list, and what's already in this forum for this set dump.
I should note most of my experience comes from laddering on the Switch, so that might mess some things up since I believe the analyses here are more tuned for tournaments, so I apologize for that in advance!
I'm not sure if this is how you folks want to roll, but notice the set comments and EV sections: I formatted them the same way BSS has been adding EV spreads to mons that don't have an analysis. We got permission to do that recently, and I figure this would be nice for VGC too, especially since personally, I find the EV spreads of VGC to be among the more convoluted aspects at times! If you want to see what that looks like onsite, check out BSS12 Zygarde
Commentary is in red. This post is just restricteds for now, I'll put in important non restricteds tomorrow!
Update Log
5/26
- Added Hyper Beam to Kyogre's AV set and updated the EV spread
- Added LO Kyogre set
- Added Foul Play to Offensive Yveltal
- Removed Psychic STABs from Sash Calyrex-S, Wisp now has no slash ins.
- Removed Lum Berry from Groudon
- Removed Weakness Policy from Yveltal
- Added the 0 Atk IVs I forgot lol
- Added Wide Guard to Lunala
- Split Dialga into offensive and bulky offensive
- Removed AV Calyrex-I, added White Herb and Swords Dance to its main set. Maybe it's worth splitting them up since Babiri is used with SD?
Zacian-C.
This already has an analysis onsite, but it probably has a ton of new viable EV spreads. Not gonna get into that yet, IDK where the hell that rabbit hole is gonna take me lol.
I don't really see anything wrong with what's on the forums, those two sets look good to go imo! However, it might be worth adding an AV set due to its bulk while Dynamaxed.
* **252 HP / 180 SpA / 76 Spe with Modest**: The Speed EVs let Kyogre outspeed -1 Thundurus, especially useful when using Max Strike.
* **252 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe with Modest**: This spread allows Kyogre to outspeed Calyrex-S after Tailwind, while maximizing bulk and power.
This looks mostly fine to me, just gonna copypasta EV explanations for onsite purposes, while adding a few other ones. Make sure to credit to Sole Survivor if this goes onsite!
[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Swords Dance
move 4: Protect
item: Sitrus Berry / White Herb
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 228 HP / 76 Atk / 116 Def / 12 SpD / 76 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* ** 228 HP / 76 Atk / 116 Def / 12 SpD / 76 Spe with Adamant**: This EV spread allows Groudon to never get 2HKOed by a +1 Behemoth Blade from Zacian-C after Sitrus Berry recovery. The Speed helps Groudon outrun Thundurus after a Speed boost from a partner such as its own Max Airstream Thundurus. The Attack investment hits a stat bump and the rest is poured into Special Defense to better handle special attackers such as Calyrex-S.
[SET]
name: Assault Vest
move 1: Precipice Blades
move 2: Heat Crash / Fire Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Heavy Slam / Giga Impact / High Horsepower
item: Assault Vest
ability: Drought
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 36 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **252 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 36 Spe with Adamant**: The given EV spread allows Groudon to never get 2HKOed by Mystic Water-boosted Water Spout from maximum Special Attack Timid Kyogre in sun. The Speed investment lets it outrun standard Groudon and slower Kyogre and the Attack investment hits a stat bump. The remaining EVs are put into Defense.
OK IDK if this is worth splitting off from the main support set or should just be cast aside (I can't imagine this set working if it was a write up cuz good lord 4 sets LOL), but: whenever I see Calyrex + Soglaleo, I see Bulldoze like every time. I mostly saw Wisp, but I slashed in Pollen Puff because I didn't realize till now that there was a spotlight done on this!
I stole Sole Survivor's stuff again (did some minor rewriting, but its the same stuff), make sure to credit him onsite!
[SET]
name: Assault Vest
move 1: Foul Play
move 2: Snarl
move 3: Oblivion Wing
move 4: Sucker Punch
item: Assault Vest
ability: Dark Aura
nature: Modest
evs: 172 HP / 4 Def / 68 SpA / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **172 HP / 4 Def / 68 SpA / 12 SpD / 252 Spe with Modest**: The Speed investment allows Yveltal to outspeed Zacian-C and Calyrex-S after a boost from Max Airstream, while the Special Attack investment with the Modest Nature hits a stat bump. The rest of the EVs are poured into bulk allowing Yveltal to not get 2HKOed by Zacian-C's Behemoth Blade with Reflect and Intimidate support, and also survive a Life Orb Regieleki Max Lightning while under Dynamax.
[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Dark Pulse
move 2: Oblivion Wing
move 3: Foul Play / Heat Wave
move 4: Protect
item: Life Orb
ability: Dark Aura
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
[SET]
name: Trick Room Attacker
move 1: Glacial Lance
move 2: High Horsepower
move 3: Trick Room / Heavy Slam
move 4: Protect / Trick Room / Swords Dance
item: Weakness Policy / Barbiri Berry / Life Orb / White Herb
ability: As One (Glastrier)
nature: Brave
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe
Same as the forum analysis except I slashed in Barbiri Berry, which I feel is key for letting this thing set up TR for a lot of teams! Also, I've seen Sash ones, and I noticed that for some reason, Sash usage is much higher on Switch than PS, dunno what's up with that lol, but its certainly gotten some surprise TRs up on me! I generally prefer Barbiri though.
* **236 HP / 252 SpA / 28 Spe with Modest**: This EV spread outspeeds maximum Speed Incineroar while maximizing bulk and power.
* **108 HP / 36 Def / 212 SpA / 4 SpD / 148 Spe with Modest**: This EV spread outspeeds Regieleki at +2 or after a Tailwind, while surviving Zacian-C's Play Rough while under Dynamax.
Yeah I realize making the main EV spread outspeed fast Incineroars could be sorta... extreme, so I don't mind going back to like 244 / 4 / 252 / 4 / 4 for the main spread if requested!
[SET]
name: Bulky Offense
move 1: Roar of Time
move 2: Flash Cannon
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: Trick Room / Blizzard / Thunder / Protect
item: Life Orb
ability: Telepathy / Pressure
nature: Modest
evs: 188 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 60 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **188 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 60 Spe**: This EV spread allows Dialga to survive Adamant 156 Attack Zacian-C's Sacred Sword, while outspeeding most Groudon.
* **252 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe with Modest**: This EV spread allows Dialga to outspeed Calyrex-S after Tailwind is set up.
[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Sunsteel Strike
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Rock Slide / Wild Charge / Psychic Fangs
move 4: Protect / Trick Room / Wide Guard / Psychic Fangs
item: Weakness Policy / Assault Vest
ability: Full Metal Body
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 228 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **228 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 20 Spe with Adamant**: This spread lets Solgaleo outspeed -1 Thundurus.
* **4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe with Jolly**: Maximizing Speed ensures Solgaleo at least speedties with Urshifu, and outspeeds base 90 threats such as Kyogre.
These slashes are a mess lol, could use some cleaning up.
[SET]
name: Power Herb
move 1: Moongeist Beam
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Trick Room
move 4: Protect / Wide Guard
item: Power Herb
ability: Shadow Shield
nature: Modest
evs: 196 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 52 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **196 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 52 Spe with Modest**: This Speed investment allows Lunala to outspeed maximum Speed Incineroar.
When looking at Pikalytics I saw a bulkier spread of 252 HP / 52 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe or something like that. Anyone know what the extra Defense does, because I couldn't find it in damage calcs lol.
[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Blue Flare
move 2: Draco Meteor
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: Solar Beam / Protect
item: Assault Vest / Life Orb
ability: Turboblaze
nature: Modest
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **252 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe with Modest**: The Speed EVs let Reshiram outpace Calyrex-S after Tailwind.
Yeah I just copied the Dialga spread LOL. IIRC the 2nd place team in Indianapolis used a simple 252 252 spread.
* Incineroar can also run a Specially Defensive EV spread of 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpD with a Careful Nature which survives Charizard's Max Airstream very often, as well survives Timid Regieleki's Life Orb Max Lightning based off Rising Voltage.
* Maximum Speed Incineroar can be used on Tailwind teams to outpace Calyrex-S and Zacian-C
Alrighty gonna start my post on more unrestricteds and one restricted: Kyurem-W, Regieleki, Porygon2, Tornadus, Tapu Fini, Kartana, Raichu, Weezing, and Regigigas. Unlike the last post, I'm gonna post this incomplete so I can easily edit stuff in real time, we all use discord anyways!
[SET]
name: Special Attacker
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Earth Power
move 3: Draco Meteor / Freeze-Dry
move 4: Protect
item: Life Orb
ability: Turboblaze
nature: Timid
evs: 68 HP / 4 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
[SET COMMENTS]
EV Spreads
========
* **68 HP / 4 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe with Timid**: This EV spread gives the minimum recoil from Life Orb.
[SET]
name: Special Attacker
move 1: Rising Voltage / Thunderbolt
move 2: Electroweb
move 3: Volt Switch / Hyper Beam
move 4: Protect / Hyper Beam
item: Life Orb / Focus Sash / Magnet
ability: Transistor
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
* **224 Atk / 252 SpA / 28 Spe with Rash**:The Speed EVs are enough for Choice Scarf Regieleki to outspeed Charizard under Tailwind.
I realize Scarf Regieleki seems absurd, and IDK about its tournament preformence, but I can at least say that this thing is annoying as hell on ladder due to outspedeing Tailwinded stuff, and that super speedy Electroweb!