That exact same argument could be made against any Pokemon that can't immediately threaten them. And since they're not switching in against stuff that threatens them in the first place... Well, I don't see how this particular point is detrimental to the viability of the set.Sure, you might Super Fang Lucario / Garchomp / Infernape on the switch...but can you really afford to give them that free Swords Dance / Nasty Plot? Even with only 5 turns to attack (with Life Orb), if either of those get a free one in, you're in serious trouble.
Well, the thing is, if you don't have those defenses, you're going to get murdered even by attacks from walls. For instance, Gliscor will be able to 2HKO with Earthquake instead of 4HKO.Anyways, instead of going for 227 Speed, why not just max it out? Unless those extra defenses are doing something special, a simple 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Speed spread gets the job done nicely. If you're just ignorant, exactly 240 EVs in Speed hits one point above Adamant Gyarados' max speed, 261. If you're smart, you know that people innovate from the "standard." I may run a few more speed EVs than the "standard bulky Gyarados," which just completely eradicates the concept of Taunting apposing Gyarados. Running more than Adamant Gyarados' max speed insures you are always outrunning it unless it is Jolly. Gliscor also sometimes runs more then it's minimal speed, and it's good to be able to catch those select few, too. You also outrun a regular bulky Zapdos, and you may or may not find yourself in that situation, but it's good to be prepared.
In short: Run max speed if you want to use this competitively, because stopping at 227 when you get 265 maximum is kind of silly!
I don't mean this to be offensive, because anybody who knows me knows how much respect I have for the mods here, but I think it really says a lot about the analysis that most of them were written based solely on theorymon.Do you think Phuquoph had Bibarel at his competitive disposal for months before having to write the analysis?
I think it says more about the time they were made and the internet communities thirst for information so they don't have to work for it before a game even comes out. Want proof? Look at the amount of idiots who want a stage ban list and character tier list for Smash Bros Brawl before it even comes out.I don't mean this to be offensive, because anybody who knows me knows how much respect I have for the mods here, but I think it really says a lot about the analysis that most of them were written based solely on theorymon.
I have read this like five times and I honestly still don't know what you're trying to say. Did you mean "analyses"? or just this one? Regardless, the main reason I'm confused is because I thought it was painfully obvious by now that we had nothing to go on BUT theorymon, especially for pokemon like Bibarel that we had no reason to strongly believe would not be NU. As chaos said, that's part of the reason we didn't pay it much attention.I don't mean this to be offensive, because anybody who knows me knows how much respect I have for the mods here, but I think it really says a lot about the analysis that most of them were written based solely on theorymon.
"analyses", all the vowels blur together.I have read this like five times and I honestly still don't know what you're trying to say. Did you mean "analyses"? or just this one? Regardless, the main reason I'm confused is because I thought it was painfully obvious by now that we had nothing to go on BUT theorymon, especially for pokemon like Bibarel that we had no reason to strongly believe would not be NU. As chaos said, that's part of the reason we didn't pay it much attention.
That brings up one of his other points, though—if you don't like something in an analysis, suggest something in C&C. IF you'd said something to the extent of "remain the product of sheer theorymon" implying many of them haven't been given much attention since they were first written last spring, then you'd have a point (albeit still one that would make me roll my eyes). The issue now is how long the analysis has gone unnoticed by our community, but that's more the fault of the community than one person, isn't it?
This is what most of us thought back then, but we decided to start anyway because the demand was so damn big. Everyone wanted these analyses from our local experts right there.my point was that the community should have waited until there was some sort of battling sim or widely populated competitive medium. The writers can hardly be expected to make good analyses without actually using the pokemon. Isn't it absurd to expect people to write this stuff without playing DP?
You greatly underestimate the internet's desire for absurd things. God, people wanted a tier list around the time these analyses were being made."analyses", all the vowels blur together.
my point was that the community should have waited until there was some sort of battling sim or widely populated competitive medium. The writers can hardly be expected to make good analyses without actually using the pokemon. Isn't it absurd to expect people to write this stuff without playing DP?
My complaint isn't with any particular analysis but with the process as a whole.