Aberforth
Ubers Leader
Calling it out cause everyone knows and it's stupid to pretend otherwise.
I personally feel Ho-oh probably could drop down to A or A- or so, as i said already. But C+ is ludicrously too far. The amount it does for a team, offensively and defensively, is significant enough that putting it on the same level as mons like Buzzwole and Klefki is a massive overreaction. Defensively as a check to most marshadow/xerneas sets, offensively against teams without Zygarde and hard stall it remains good, and hazard control is not nearly as bad as what it would need to be for Ho-oh to be down that low considering what it does for well made ho-oh balance teams. Goth is good but it's nowhere near the death of Ho-oh.
I can go into more detail when i have more time to put together a more thorough post, but C+ is so far away from what makes sense that I really dont see the need to.
I personally feel Ho-oh probably could drop down to A or A- or so, as i said already. But C+ is ludicrously too far. The amount it does for a team, offensively and defensively, is significant enough that putting it on the same level as mons like Buzzwole and Klefki is a massive overreaction. Defensively as a check to most marshadow/xerneas sets, offensively against teams without Zygarde and hard stall it remains good, and hazard control is not nearly as bad as what it would need to be for Ho-oh to be down that low considering what it does for well made ho-oh balance teams. Goth is good but it's nowhere near the death of Ho-oh.
I can go into more detail when i have more time to put together a more thorough post, but C+ is so far away from what makes sense that I really dont see the need to.