SPOILERS! Pokemon Legends: Arceus *Leak Thread*

[Dylando]

If sneasler had psycho cut it could be good against psychics somewhat at least. Dunno about pex in specific, tho.

 

[T.I.A.]

Does anyone have any info on more detailed move effects that aren't all numbers?

 

[DrPumpkinz]

Stat visualizations! Because raw numbers are harder to conceptualize than a colorful bar graph.

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[earl]

God I wish I could be happy for lilligant, but it's so depressing seeing that power whip isnt in the game... it's best option for grass stab is leaf blade or wood hammer.

Wood Hammer is much better for it than Power Whip would be anyways unless you’re into stacking Hustle with 85% accurate moves

 

[Lord Godwin]

ok so what im finding cool is that it seems like many of the Wardens aren't type specialists. Ingo's first fight has him using Machoke, Tangela and Gliscor even though he's Sneasler's Warden while the one Bertha/Agatha combined ancestor has Gengar and Rhydon

Is there any Trainer data available?

 

[PK Gaming]

That 5 extra speed is an absolute gamechanger for Zoroark

Assuming it gets to keep Illusion in the next gen, it could end up being an incredibly nasty offensive threat

 

[Ludicrousity]

I know it's not perfectly synced, but I have pieced together the 3 parts of the legendary battle theme using the youtube guy that's uploading them. Yung Dramps told me to post idfk what more I'm supposed to say about it

 

[DrPumpkinz]

That 5 extra speed is an absolute gamechanger for Zoroark

Assuming it gets to keep Illusion in the next gen, it could end up being an incredibly nasty offensive threat

Honestly, even without Illusion, Hisuian Zoroark looks very strong. It's basically a Gengar that can freely switch into other Gengars.

 

[Yung Dramps]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...b-lTw_13x99-uiupGigfx5Gz4I/edit#gid=353833762

Hematite's better formatted new Pokemon and form stat blocks!

 

[AztecCroc]

So how does Basculin/Basculegion work exactly?

Because what I've gotten from trying to read this thread is standard Red-Stripe is male only now? And Blue-Stripe doesn't exist in PAL, just a female only White-Stripe?

 

[Admin Miror B]

So how does Basculin/Basculegion work exactly?

Because what I've gotten from trying to read this thread is standard Red-Stripe is male only now? And Blue-Stripe doesn't exist in PAL, just a female only White-Stripe?

Yeah Basculin is just the single form, and then Basculegion forms are based on gender

 

[AztecCroc]

Yeah Basculin is just the single form, and then Basculegion forms are based on gender

That's bizarre. How is that going to work going forward? Are all female Red-Stripe Basculin going to change form and ability in gen 9 on? Or SwSh if they decide to add these new Pokemon/forms to it?

 

[earl]

That's bizarre. How is that going to work going forward? Are all female Red-Stripe Basculin going to change form and ability in gen 9 on? Or SwSh if they decide to add these new Pokemon/forms to it?

No, the basculin in legends is a regional variant. Unovan Basculin will still be unable to evolve.

 

[Admin Miror B]

That's bizarre. How is that going to work going forward? Are all female Red-Stripe Basculin going to change form and ability in gen 9 on? Or SwSh if they decide to add these new Pokemon/forms to it?

The Basculin in this game is Hisuian, and is specifically referred to as "White-Stripe" I believe, so regular Red/Blue Basculin will be unevolving, while the White Hisuian one will be able to become Basculegion.

 

[AztecCroc]

The Basculin in this game is Hisuian, and is specifically referred to as "White-Stripe" I believe, so regular Red/Blue Basculin will be unevolving, while the White Hisuian one will be able to become Basculegion.

Does someone have the render of the male Hisuian Basculin then? Because I never really got a good look at it and I wanna see how/if it differs from a normal Red-Stripe.

 

[Admin Miror B]

There is no variation between male or female Hisuian Basculin. They're both just the White-Stripe form, so the only model you've probably seen of it, being:

 

[Nintenfreak]

The implication that Enamorus is extinct or otherwise MIA is quite interesting as well.

You caught her, and that's why she's not in the present.

 

[AztecCroc]

There is no variation between male or female Hisuian Basculin. They're both just the White-Stripe form, so the only model you've probably seen of it, being:

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So both the officially revealed Basculegion and the second leaked one evolve from this one? Why make the male(?) look like it evolves from normal Basculin then?

 

[Unknown Warrior]

So both the officially revealed Basculegion and the second leaked one evolve from this one? Why make the male(?) look like it evolves from normal Basculin then?

Plot reasons, apparently current Basculin descended from the old timey ones.

 

[DreamPrince]

BTW is Enamorous gendered like the other genies?

 

[EternalZ]

Really excited for Ursaluna. Normal/Ground typing gives it two key immunities in Ghost and Electric, and a nearly unresisted STAB combo.

130/140/105/45/80/50 is an awesome stat distribution, making it incredibly bulky and powerful. Additionally, it’s got two amazing abilities: Guts for more offensive sets / status sponge, and Bulletproof to make it even harder to kill, providing immunities from Aura Sphere / Focus Blast, and also the more niche Seed Bomb / Bullet Seed. (Sidenote: Gengar is CRYING)

Already I’m thinking of Guts Wallbreaker and Assault Vest as potential popular sets. With Guts, the only thing that can tank a hit are the Steel Birds, and that’s assuming it doesn’t get coverage moves to hit them neutrally. Here are some stats I ran on popular physical walls / pivots, using only Facade+Earthquake as moves:

-1 252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Landorus-Therian: 222-262 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 268-316 (68 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 306-360 (100.6 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 211-250 (69.4 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 168+ Def Corviknight: 148-175 (37 - 43.8%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Assuming its movepool is similar to Ursaring, Payback might be a great option for coverage (CC as well, but being slow and having your defenses drop…)

I’m not sure yet what the best spreads on AV sets could be, but some preliminary scouting sees it tanking hits from Lele, Pult, Zapdos (is immune to two of its moves) Heatran, etc and either OHKOing or doing massive damage back (assuming it gets payback).

what are y’all’s first impressions?

 

[S_RANK]

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but tons of moves got nerfed (and some got buffed) .

Grass
Leaf storm-110 BP
Leaf Blade- 85 BP
wood hammer- 100 BP

Water
Liquidation- 80 bp
Hydropump- 100BP

Water buffs
Flip turn- 70 BP

Fire (oof)
Flare blitz- 100 bp
flamethrower- 80 bp
Overheat- 110 BP
Fire Blast 100 BP
Magma Storm- 90 BP

Normal
Double Edge- 90 BP
Hidden Power- 50 BP

Flying
Brave Bird- 100 BP
100- BP 75 ACC

Fighting
Close Combat- 100 BP

Poison
Sludge bomb- 80 BP

Rock
Head Smash- 120 BP

Ground
Earth power- 80 BP
High horsepower 85 BP

Ground Buffs
Scorching sands- 80 BP

Bug (God Damn RIP)
Bug buzz- 80 BP
Leech life- 75 BP
Megahorn- 100 BP

Bug Buffs
Pin Missile- 40 BP

Psychic
Psychic- 80 BP
extrasensory- 70 BP

Psychic Buffs
Expanding force- 85 BP

Ghost (Wow, Funny)
None

Ghost Buffs
Poltergeist- 120 BP 100 ACC

Dark
None

Steel
Steel Beam- 120 BP 95 ACC

Ice
Icicle Crash- 80 BP
Blizzard- 100 BP
Ice beam- 80 bp
Triple Axel- 10 BP
Glacial Lance- 120 BP

Fairy
Moonblast- 85BP
Dazzling Gleam- 75 BP
Play Rough- 85 BP

Electric (Lmao)
Wild Charge- 85 BP
Thunderbolt- 80 BP
Thunder- 100 BP

Dragon
Dragon Pulse- 80 BP
Draco Meteor- 110 BP
Dragon Tail- 50 BP
Outrage- 90 BP 85 ACC

In conclusion-
I like the direction this is going in. It seems like all of these nerfs are in an effort to make the tiers not be as filled with legendary pokemon because normal pokemon will have a harder time killing them (causing bans and such). If this doesn't happen, oh well, none of our Pokemon have the same kill power they used too. I'm also interested to see how many off these moves get reworked (like stealth rocks).

If these changes are PLA specific and don't make a return, that's cool too, but I would kind of miss it considering ices new buffed weather would be much easier to deal with if pokemon can take more hits.

 

[Esserise]

So both the officially revealed Basculegion and the second leaked one evolve from this one? Why make the male(?) look like it evolves from normal Basculin then?

The going theory I’ve seen is because Basculegion is based on sockeye salmon. Male sockeyes turn bright red during mating season, while females remain a more pale color.

BTW is Enamorous gendered like the other genies?

A character in the text files refers to it as a she, so yeah, seems like it

 

[Worldie]

In conclusion-
I like the direction this is going in. It seems like all of these nerfs are in an effort to make the tiers not be as filled with legendary pokemon because normal pokemon will have a harder time killing them (causing bans and such). If this doesn't happen, oh well, none of our Pokemon have the same kill power they used too. I'm also interested to see how many off these moves get reworked (like stealth rocks).

You do realize that GF never ever buffed or nerfed based on smogon, they never cared if VGC is filled of legendaries, and these changes like Let's Go's are unique to Legend Arceus?

 

[Rarycaris]

Lord Dialga and Palkia are weird. Visually they look like they're warped or radically different... but the changes they got were minimal, and made the Lord forms strictly better for every relevant use case by moving points from a stat they never use into more useful areas.