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Old thread by Valmanway
Have you ever looked at some sets on a Pokemon and wondered "Wow. How is this set A+ worthy?", or "Is this set really that much better than the other sets?"? Have you ever just wondered where your favorite sets truly stand in terms of viability? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then let me introduce you to OU Viability Ranking: Sets!
In this thread, we as a community will decide the viability of each individual set for every Pokemon that's viable in OU. There are a few rules here that will explain how things will work around here:
1. If a Pokemon is in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list, regardless of how bad it is, then that Pokemon is going to be on this list as well, even if it's in D Rank.
2. Do not make nominations here for Pokemon that are not on the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list. Make those nominations there, as they will be ignored here, so no nominating Beartic for D Rank or anything like that.
3. A Pokemon's set cannot be ranked higher than its rank in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list, so Sand Rush Excadrill can't be S Rank here because it's only A Rank there. If a Pokemon's ranking is moved down in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list in a way that would make it lower than one of its set placements here, then its placement here is also lowered. No exceptions.
4. Post maturely and intelligently, as well as with good evidence and support for any nominations you make. I don't want to see any one-liners like "Why is *insert a Pokemon set* A Rank? It sucks, so bring it down!".
5. For the love of god, don't forget rule #4.
ORAS OU Ranking Sets Tier List
(In alphabetical order)
S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the OU metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.
(Offensive Dragon Dance: S)
(Support: S)
(Special Attacker: S)
(Defensive Dragon Dance: A)
(Substitute + Calm Mind: S)
(Choice Specs: A+)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Life Orb: A)
(All Out Attacker: S)
(Rock Polish/Agility: S)
(Rock Polish: S)
(Wallbreaker: S)
(Calm Mind: A+)
A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the OU metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be compensated for when compared to their positive traits.
A+ Rank
(Choice Band: A+)
(Belly Drum: A+)
(Assault Vest: A-)
(Swords Dance: A+)
(Pursuit Trapper: A+)
Assault Vest: A-)
(Mega X)
(Unaware +Calm Mind: A+)
(Stealth Rock: A)
(Unaware Cleric + Wishpasser: A-)
(Magic Guard + Calm Mind: A+)
(All-Out Attacker: A+)
(Rock Polish: A+)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Life Orb: A+)
(Sub-Split Attacker: A+)
(Stall Breaker: A)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Swords Dance: A+)
(Specially Defensive: A+)
(Defensive: A)
(Substitute + Toxic: C+)
(Offensive Dragon Dance: A+)
(Sub + Dragon Dance: A+)
(Mega RestTalk: B+)
(Specially Defensive: A+)
(Fast Support: A+)
(Choice Scarf: A)
Landorus-T (Choice Scarf: A+)
(Offensive Pivot: A)
(Defensive: A)
(Double Dance: A-)
Latios
Lopunny (Mega) (All-Out Attacker: A+)
(Utility Attacker: A+)
(Sub + Power Up Punch: A)
(Swords Dance: A+)
(Specially Defensive: A+)
(Revenge Killer: A)
(Swords Dance + Natural Gift: B)
(Bulky SD: A+)
(Offensive SD: A)
(Defensive: A-)
(Utility: A+)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Prankster Attacker: A+)
(Nasty Plot: A)
(Defiant Attacker: A)
A Rank
(Baton Pass: A)
(Support: A)
(Offensive: A-)
(Wallbreaker: A)
(Specially Defensive: A-)
(Sand Rush Sweeper: A)
(Specially Defensive: B+
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Utility: A)
(Offensive: A)
(Defensive: B+)
(Defensive Rocky Helmet: A)
(Lead: A)
(Scarf: B+)
(Offensive Defog: A)
(Defensive Defog: B+)
(Defensive: A)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Defensive: A)
(Tail Glow + Rain Dance: A)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Tail Glow + 3 Attacks: A)
(Revenge Killer: A)
(Physically Defensive: A)
(Specially Defensive: B)
(Physically Defensive: A)
Slowbro (Mega) (Calm Mind: A)
(Offensive Tank: A-)
(Offensive: A)
(Defensive: A)
(Life Orb: A)
(Assault Vest: A-)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Choice Band: A)
(Support: A-)
(Offensive: A)
(Defensive: A-)
A- Rank
(Revenge Killer: A-)
(Special Attacker: A-)
(Wallbreaker: A-)
(Bulky Dragon Dance: A-)
(Defensive: B+)
(Specially Defensive: A-)
(Sub-toxic: A-)
(Offensive: A-)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Life Orb: A-)
(Lead: B+)
(Hazard Control: A-)
(Offensive: B)
(Substitute + 3 Attacks: A-)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Defensive Rain Support: A-)
(Offensive Rain Support: B+)
(Assault Vest: A-)
(Choice Specs: A-)
(Calm Mind: B+)
(Offensive Quiver Dance: A-)
(Swords Dance + 3 Attacks: A-)
B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the OU metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.
B+ Rank
(Focus Sash / Life Orb: B+)
(Specially Defensive Poison Heal: B)
(Leech Seed: D)
(Support: B+)
(Wish Support: B+)
(Physically Defensive: B+)
(Belly Drum: B-)
(Choice Band: B+)
(Dragon Dance: B-)
(Bulky Roost: B)
(Swords Dance: B+)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Offensive Toxic Spikes: B+)
(Defensive Toxic Spikes: B+)
(Wallbreaker: B)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Choice Specs: B)
(Swift Swim Sweeper: B+)
(Swift Swim Mixed Attacker: B+)
(CritDra: B-)
(Spikes: B+)
(Wall Breaker: B+)
(Swords Dance + Substitute: B+)
(Specially Defensive: B+)
(Physically Defensive: B-)
(Custab Lead: C+)
(Calm Mind: B+)
(Swift Swim: B+)
(Hazard Control: B+)
(Lead: B+)
(Choice Band: B+)
(Choice Scarf: B)
(Stallbreaker: B+)
(Defensive: B)
(Choice Band: B+)
(Defensive: B-)
(Special Lure: B-)
(Life Orb: B+)
B Rank
(Pivot: B)
(Dedicated Lead: B)
(Dual Screens: B)
(Rain Dance: B-)
(Pivot: B)
(Assault Vest: B)
(Defensive: B)
(Bulky Trick Room: B-)
(Stallbreaker: B)
(Choice Specs: B)
(SubSD: B)
(Physically Defensive: B)
(Choice Specs: B)
(Physically Defensive: B)
(All-Out Attacker: B)
(Substitute: B)
(CB: B)
(Bulky SD: B-)
(Offensive SD: B-)
(Offensive: B)
(Cleaner: B)
B- Rank
(Wish Pass: B-)
(Swords Dance: B-)
(Defensive: B-)
(Choice Specs: C+)
(Dragon Dance: B-)
(Swords Dance: C+)
(Mixed Attacker: B-)
(Mega SD Wallbreaker: C+)
(Nasty Plot: B-)
(Sunny Day: B-)
Hydreigon (Wall Breaker: B-)
(Revenge Killer: C+)
(SD Cleaner: B-)
(Calm Mind: B-)
(Lead: B-)
(Quick Pass: B-)
(Offensive: C+)
(Defensive: B-)
(Assault Vest: B-)
(Choice Specs: B-)
(Cleric: B-)
(Assault Vest: B-)
(Swords Dance: B-)
(Dragon Dance: B-)
(Bulky Tank: C+)
(Physically Defensive: B-)
(Specially Defensive: B-)
C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the OU metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.
C+ Rank
(Tank: C+)
(Trick Room: C)
(Offensive Pivot: C+)
(Wallbreaker: C+
(Guts: C)
(Physically Defensive: C+)
(Wallbreaker: C+)
(Choice Scarf: C+)
(Defensive: C+)
(All Out Attacker: C+)
(Work Up: C)
(Choice Band: C+)
(Choice Scarf: C+)
(Trapper: C+)
(Choice Band: C+)
(Dragon Dance: C+)
C Rank
(All-Out Attacker: C)
(Swords Dance: C)
(Focus Sash: C)
(Life Orb: C)
(Rapid Spin: C)
(Wallbreaker: C)
(Choice Scarf: C)
Entei (All-Out Attacker: C)
(Assault Vest: C)
(Lead: C)
(Physically Defensive: C-)
(MixApe: D)
(Calm Mind: C)
(Defensive: C)
(Sticky Web: C-)
(Agility: C)
C- Rank
Ampharos (Agility: C-)
(All-Out Attacker: C-)
(Specially Defensive: C-)
(Wish Passer: C-)
Dugtrio (Revenge Killer: C-)
(Baton Pass: C-)
(Tank: C-)
(SubRoost: C-)
(Life Orb: C-)
(Wallbreaker: C-)
(Geomancy: C-)
(Hazard Setter: D)
Whimsicott (Prankster: C-)
(Coil: C-)
D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the OU metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it.
(Defensive: D)
(Choice Scarf: D)
(Stallbreaker: D)
(Dragon Dance: D)
(Swords Dance: D)
(MurderKrow: D)
(Shell Smash: D)
(Rain Sweeper: D)
(Assault Vest: D)
(Quick Pass: D)
(Life Orb: D)
(All-out Attacker: D)
(MoxieMence: D)
(Life Orb: D)
(Bulky Trick Room: D)
(Trick Room: D)
(Spikes Suicide Lead: D)
(Prankster: D)
(Choice Specs: D)
Have fun!
Old thread by Valmanway
Have you ever looked at some sets on a Pokemon and wondered "Wow. How is this set A+ worthy?", or "Is this set really that much better than the other sets?"? Have you ever just wondered where your favorite sets truly stand in terms of viability? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then let me introduce you to OU Viability Ranking: Sets!
In this thread, we as a community will decide the viability of each individual set for every Pokemon that's viable in OU. There are a few rules here that will explain how things will work around here:
1. If a Pokemon is in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list, regardless of how bad it is, then that Pokemon is going to be on this list as well, even if it's in D Rank.
2. Do not make nominations here for Pokemon that are not on the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list. Make those nominations there, as they will be ignored here, so no nominating Beartic for D Rank or anything like that.
3. A Pokemon's set cannot be ranked higher than its rank in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list, so Sand Rush Excadrill can't be S Rank here because it's only A Rank there. If a Pokemon's ranking is moved down in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list in a way that would make it lower than one of its set placements here, then its placement here is also lowered. No exceptions.
4. Post maturely and intelligently, as well as with good evidence and support for any nominations you make. I don't want to see any one-liners like "Why is *insert a Pokemon set* A Rank? It sucks, so bring it down!".
5. For the love of god, don't forget rule #4.
ORAS OU Ranking Sets Tier List
(In alphabetical order)
S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the OU metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.
(Support: S)
(Special Attacker: S)
(Defensive Dragon Dance: A)
(Choice Specs: A+)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Life Orb: A)
(Rock Polish/Agility: S)
(Wallbreaker: S)
(Calm Mind: A+)
A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the OU metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be compensated for when compared to their positive traits.
A+ Rank
(Belly Drum: A+)
(Assault Vest: A-)
(Pursuit Trapper: A+)
Assault Vest: A-)
(Bulky Will-O-Wisp: A-)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 248 HP / 148 SpD / 112 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Dragon Claw
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost
(Bulky Dragon Dance: A+)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Roost
(Dragon Dance: A)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 104 HP / 220 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Punch / Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake / Roost
(Swords Dance + Tailwind: A)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Tailwind
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 248 HP / 148 SpD / 112 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Dragon Claw
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost
(Bulky Dragon Dance: A+)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Roost
(Dragon Dance: A)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 104 HP / 220 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Punch / Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake / Roost
(Swords Dance + Tailwind: A)
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Tailwind
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake
(Stealth Rock: A)
(Unaware Cleric + Wishpasser: A-)
(Magic Guard + Calm Mind: A+)
(Rock Polish: A+)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Sub-Split Attacker: A+)
(Stall Breaker: A)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Specially Defensive: A+)
(Defensive: A)
(Substitute + Toxic: C+)
(Sub + Dragon Dance: A+)
(Mega RestTalk: B+)
(Fast Support: A+)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Offensive Pivot: A)
(Defensive: A)
(Double Dance: A-)
(Life Orb: A+)
Latios @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Surf / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fire
- Defog / Roost
(Choice Scarf: A)
Latios @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Trick
- Hidden Power Fire / Surf
(Dual Screen: B)
Latios @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Memento
- Draco Meteor / Hidden Power Fighting / Psychic
Latios @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Surf / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fire
- Defog / Roost
(Choice Scarf: A)
Latios @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Trick
- Hidden Power Fire / Surf
(Dual Screen: B)
Latios @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Memento
- Draco Meteor / Hidden Power Fighting / Psychic
(Utility Attacker: A+)
(Sub + Power Up Punch: A)
(Specially Defensive: A+)
(Revenge Killer: A)
(Swords Dance + Natural Gift: B)
(Offensive SD: A)
(Defensive: A-)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Nasty Plot: A)
(Defiant Attacker: A)
A Rank
(Support: A)
(Offensive: A-)
(Specially Defensive: A-)
(Specially Defensive: B+
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Defensive: B+)
(Lead: A)
(Scarf: B+)
(Defensive Defog: B+)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Calm Mind: A)
(Tail Glow + 3 Attacks: A)
(Specially Defensive: B)
(Offensive Tank: A-)
(Defensive: A)
(Assault Vest: A-)
(Choice Band: A)
(Support: A-)
(Defensive: A-)
A- Rank
(Defensive: B+)
(Sub-toxic: A-)
(Offensive: A-)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Lead: B+)
(Offensive: B)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Offensive Rain Support: B+)
(Choice Specs: A-)
(Calm Mind: B+)
B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the OU metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.
B+ Rank
(Specially Defensive Poison Heal: B)
(Leech Seed: D)
(Wish Support: B+)
(Belly Drum: B-)
(Dragon Dance: B-)
(Bulky Roost: B)
(Choice Scarf: B+)
(Defensive Toxic Spikes: B+)
(Wallbreaker: B)
(Choice Specs: B)
(CritDra: B-)
(Swords Dance + Substitute: B+)
(Physically Defensive: B-)
(Custab Lead: C+)
(Choice Band: B+)
(Choice Scarf: B)
(Defensive: B)
(Defensive: B-)
(Special Lure: B-)
B Rank
(Dual Screens: B)
(Rain Dance: B-)
(Bulky Trick Room: B-)
(Choice Specs: B)
(Substitute: B)
(Bulky SD: B-)
(Offensive SD: B-)
B- Rank
(Choice Specs: C+)
(Swords Dance: C+)
(Mega SD Wallbreaker: C+)
(Sunny Day: B-)
(Revenge Killer: C+)
(Quick Pass: B-)
(Offensive: C+)
(Assault Vest: B-)
(Cleric: B-)
(Bulky Tank: C+)
(Specially Defensive: B-)
C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the OU metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.
C+ Rank
(Trick Room: C)
(Guts: C)
(Work Up: C)
(Choice Scarf: C+)
(Dragon Dance: C+)
C Rank
(Swords Dance: C)
(Life Orb: C)
(Physically Defensive: C-)
(MixApe: D)
C- Rank
(All-Out Attacker: C-)
(Specially Defensive: C-)
(Hazard Setter: D)
D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the OU metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it.
(Stallbreaker: D)
(Swords Dance: D)
Have fun!
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