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Anyone remember old TobyBro?? Would it work in this meta (Obviously replace Amnesia with CM)??
Anyone remember old TobyBro?? Would it work in this meta (Obviously replace Amnesia with CM)??
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To me the CCAT seems like a great idea and I would love to be involved in helping manage the threads and such. Overhazard brings up two very good points about the CCAT that must be addressed. I will first address his second issue of the lack of focus. Before anyone starts a thread or anything we as a group have to agree that we will contribute to this and see it through till the end. Now to address the first issue in the lack of order. I have begun work of a basic plan. First we have a nomination thread of what pokemon people would want to build the team around. Next we would have a voting session where the winner will be the pokemon to be built around. From there we would need to decide on the set of the pokemon. Then I guess a megathread would be next to discuss the team style that would be best and then from their suggestions on pokemon to add. All the while people would be playtesting to see what works.
EDIT: This is from HeySup's post in the LC CCAT. I find that the same basic steps would apply to ours.
Heysup said:
Onto another note I would still prefer a more obscure threat or a "forgotten wonder" as they can be seen everyday on the ladder. The CCAT could show just how diverse the meta is. While utilizing some stardards is acceptable as they are standards for a reason.
lol that set was godly back in the day. Shame they had the special defense + sp.def spilt to mess Amnesia up. =[
Anyway i tried something similar, but i ran "CroBro" just before Yanmega was dropped down i mean it was ok but im not sure as if it would work well at all now due to grass type spam. :/
How about defensive Rhyperior?
As far a CCAT goes, we need to develop a concept first like others have said. Personally, I would like to see a team built around breaking through a "pivot wall" seen on many teams in UU. Basically, a team that can easily set up on Venusaur, Milotic, and Registeel. One interesting option for this is CM Clefable with a Toxic Orb. It blocks Sleep Powder, sets up on Registeel and Venusaur, and proceeds to kill a lot of the metagame with Calm Mind / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Softboiled.
No Rapid Spin tho :(
Isn't the standard CM Slowbro just a Tobybro with fancy new moves in Calm Mind and Slack Off instead of Amnesia and Rest? Granted twave sometimes get replaced for another STAB, but the sets are very similar.
Maybe Kabutops? Failing that, you'll have to counter Aggron+Swellow with one poke like defensive Rhyperior and spin with another poke.
Thats why I suggested a nomination thread; that people would propose a set and why it would be good for the CCAT. Then a new thread will be made to vote upon the accepted nominations
We could have people vote for the nominations they like best and then make a poll with the top five/ten/three/whatever.
Yuggles
hey that second guy isn't too bad
did you read the last few posts?
Hopefully, if we choose a concept, it'll be something that hasn't been explored as much. Similarly, if we decide on a Pokemon, it should be a lesser known Pokemon but something that does well against the current standard. I have a few ideas already, but I think this CCAT should also be an "exploring trip" as well as a workshop for building a team.
EDIT: Oh, I want a troll the ladder with a team of Alakazam/Espeon/Kadabra trio, but what's a good Pokemon to lure out and kill Spiritomb with??
EDIT: Oh, I want a troll the ladder with a team of Alakazam/Espeon/Kadabra trio, but what's a good Pokemon to lure out and kill Spiritomb with??
what is this the uu discussion thread or the discuss the ccat thread?
-_- but anyways i really like calm 252/252 restalk weezing. a great pivot wall for a lot of teams and aids in taking on venusaur / fighters / other stuff. it's one inherent weakness is fire types since they are immune to wow (ff arcanine and houndoom say hi as well), so pairing it up with a milotic is a pretty sexy defensive stronghold for any team.
-_- but anyways i really like calm 252/252 restalk weezing. a great pivot wall for a lot of teams and aids in taking on venusaur / fighters / other stuff. it's one inherent weakness is fire types since they are immune to wow (ff arcanine and houndoom say hi as well), so pairing it up with a milotic is a pretty sexy defensive stronghold for any team.
You don't need 3 Pokemon. Just run Alakazam and Destiny Bond Missy and you're set. Once Missy takes out Tomb there isn't really much that's gonna stop Zam from sweeping. I've been doing this for 2 rounds and it's so easy to get wins it's sad.
The only thing I hate about Zam is that he gets completely cock-blocked by Chansey too, which most people have been saving for late-game more and more these days to stop said Zam sweeps if their Tomb or whatever else is dead. A Tomb and Chansey combo is a pretty strong one-two punch core, I can't believe their aren't more of them.
Alakazam doesn't get 'completely cock-blocked by Chansey'. Chansey is taking 38.1% - 44.9% from a timid LO Focus Blast and 41.8% - 49.3% from a modest one so it can potentially be 2hko'd with a little bit of previous damage if it switches into Focus Blast. I wouldn't rely on Chansey to take on Alakazam if I were you.
The problem with Poopy Blast is that you have a 51% chance of missing at least one of those turns. There's also the issue of running Modest Zam - I personally go for Timid, to outspeed RP Rhyperior, Ludicolo in the rain, tie with Sceptile, tie/beat other Zams, and beat Espeon - a fairly short list, admittedly, but enough to sway me (though I also use Rock Slide over Stone Edge with no exceptions, so whatever). In the case of Chansey, keeping Zam in is a very risky prospect - do you want to gamble another hit and a good roll to take it out? If you don't it'll stall Poopy Blast out of PP or Paralyze you, or even KO with Seismic Toss.
Alakazam is looking much less attractive now than it was because I've seen a ridiculous amount of priority recently, even more than usual. Take out Venusaur, there's Arcanine. Or Azumarill. Or Spiritomb. Or Houndoom. Or Technitop. Or even Donphan. And it seems like the whole tier can learn Sucker Punch, and you never know when it's going to strike next. Sub Zam can get around that to an extent, but Encore reduces it to 2 attacking moves and it's not easy keeping a 60-hp sub with 130 defense backing it alive.
Also I'm really tired. Please replace incoherent sections with passages from Stephen A. Douglas, cause dang that guy could talk.
Alakazam is looking much less attractive now than it was because I've seen a ridiculous amount of priority recently, even more than usual. Take out Venusaur, there's Arcanine. Or Azumarill. Or Spiritomb. Or Houndoom. Or Technitop. Or even Donphan. And it seems like the whole tier can learn Sucker Punch, and you never know when it's going to strike next. Sub Zam can get around that to an extent, but Encore reduces it to 2 attacking moves and it's not easy keeping a 60-hp sub with 130 defense backing it alive.
Also I'm really tired. Please replace incoherent sections with passages from Stephen A. Douglas, cause dang that guy could talk.
Has anyone ever used/ considered using Rain Dance or Sunny Day as a set up move used to help just one Pokemon sweep? Kinda like Swords Dance, or Dragon Dance? Obviously it only benefits those with Chlorophyll or Swift Swim, like Kabutops.
The idea would be to bring him in on a flyer (Swellow perhaps?) to force a switch, RD on the switch, and sweep. Obviously Waterfall would be a given, gaining essentially a Choice Band boost, but whatever other moves you use would be up to what you need to cover.
Also, there wouldn't really be an issue with the duration of the RD, since sweeps rarely last more than five turns
The idea would be to bring him in on a flyer (Swellow perhaps?) to force a switch, RD on the switch, and sweep. Obviously Waterfall would be a given, gaining essentially a Choice Band boost, but whatever other moves you use would be up to what you need to cover.
Also, there wouldn't really be an issue with the duration of the RD, since sweeps rarely last more than five turns
Man I feel like this thread is always in a loophole...
Yes, that has been discussed, people talked about Sunnybeam Moltres and sole rain sweepers opening holes in the opponent's team and bluffing a weather team, which makes a nasty surprise once people sacrifice their most important mons under the assumption they won't be useful at all for that match.
Yes, that has been discussed, people talked about Sunnybeam Moltres and sole rain sweepers opening holes in the opponent's team and bluffing a weather team, which makes a nasty surprise once people sacrifice their most important mons under the assumption they won't be useful at all for that match.
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