TBH you shouldn't even be running Air Balloon. Leftovers is a must on Sableye. I mean, what happens if you run into a MKanga that uses Crunch over Earthquake? And now you have a wasted item slot.
The best thing about Sableye though is that he's not a niche answer, there are some mons he cant deal with like Talonflame or Guts users, but a ton of physical pokemon out right now are walled, checked or killed by Sableye.
Welcome to the forums, but I gotta call you out on your set.. you're not really using Kangaskhan to its full potential. Outrage isn't a very good move on something that isn't Dragon, and giving your opponent time to bring in a steel type and set up is not good at all. Dizzy Punch isn't a good move at all...even Body Slam is better. Return is WAY more powerful, and you shouldn't be relying on Confusion anyways. I'm not even sure what Protect is meant to do, since you're losing out on a lot of coverage, and honestly there's not point to it.
So that's the third (fourth if you count Sableye) non-OU ghost mentioned on this forum. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when we go down tiers looking for solutions for Pokemon isn't that a sign that it might be broken?
No.
I wouldn't say MKanga is completely counterable. If conditions are in MKanga's favor (i.e. good prediction, a +2 PUP, etc) then pretty much nothing can switch into it without getting 2HKOd. However, MKanga has 4MSS, and often has to carry a coverage move to let go of another, and thus that's why if there's any argument as to why MKanga is OU, it's because it can't beat everything by itself. Ghosts like Sableye and Coffy are more checks than anything, because sure they can Burn MKanga, but they risk getting hit hard in the process.
True, but with lefties and recover a Sableye can switch into MKanga.
Meanwhile just PUPing once guarantees that Sableye can 2HKO with Foul Play.
Thing is you can also predict the switch out and safely Recover while he switches something in. You can also double switch and gain momentum on your opponent by switching to Sableye then immediately to a pivot. When predicting correctly you actually force your opponent to switch more than you do, and by Recovering with Lefties Sableye will always be able to absorb an EQ in a pinch.
Just FYI, all Kangaskhans should have Scrappy and, thus, can Power Up Punch on the switch before it Mega-Evolves. And, in my experience, most people wait to mega-evolve if there is a ghost type on the opponents team. Plus, no offense to Sableye, but if you're using it to solely deal with Mega-Kangaskhan, you might as well use SubDisable Gengar who can wall all of Kanga's common attacks without a balloon.Nitzudono said:
lol SubDisable Gengar.
Not going mega ASAP leaves you open for a burn from a faster ghost like Gourgeist. That extra speed from the mega form is really required to make sure you prevent getting burned. It's much safer just to run Crunch than to try and get a single boost from PUP imo.
Again, I addressed that, Scrappy Kang STILL loses. He gets burned, and he needs to be +4 or better to deal more than 50% of Sableye's HP, meaning he needs to be +4 to out damage recover. +1 alone means Sableye 2HKOs with Foul Play.
Not to be contemptuous, but I NEVER said that Kanga beats Sableye 1 on 1. I just was saying that without Mega-evolving, it can touch Sableye and wear it down especially with hazards. Hence why I replied to your quote that literally said Sableye stops a PuP from happening.
"Can be countered with a bad Pokemon" is not a valid argument against banning something. Did you read the discussion on banning Blaziken? One big argument was that the only thing that can wall it, Slowbro, has no place in OU. Granted, this was a poor argument because Azumarill counters it better and is very much OU-viable. But it doesn't change the fact that being countered by bad Pokemon is not some big strike against Uber status: it's in fact quite irrelevant.
I agree. If bad Pokemon countering stuff was enough to not make it broken, then Kyogre would be OU cause Ludicolo and Gastrodon destroy it.
SToss is just as if not more scary than the normal PuP set. It 2HKOs pretty much the entire meta, doesn't need to set up, doesn't fear burn, is free to invest in bulk and has room to do shit like pass massive wishes while still beating most ghosts on the switch in with crunch.
Why not use Knock Off? It has a lot more utility then Crunch on a Pokemon that'll be spamming SToss for the most part. Do you have any recommended teammates to pair it with?
