Gotta do a sub review
: This is an okay sub, we kinda lack slow hard hitting mons in the meta right now.
G-Luke here: This is an ok sub fr. ESpeed is neat.
: While abusing its ability would involve using another Ice-type, on the other you're proposing a mon with unresisted STABs that gains Huge Power, and can even stay behind Aurora Veil from such other Ice to setup with Agility (maybe even double dance with SD?) with a free item slot to blow holes on teams, feels kinda sussy even outside the stall match-up.
G-Luke here: I don't like this thing either. Situational Huge Power is still more or less Huge Power, and I would be strained to find what folks call "switchins".
: Good Unaware mon on paper, on practice it's kinda bad as Ghost/Ground has a lot of common weaknesses, I'd suggest to make it Water/Ghost, then it's a passable option.
G-Luke here: I think it's fine. It beats most common set up mons right now and the rest should be handled by other defensive mates.
: I'm not sure what it aims to do beyond having a gimmicky ability, really feels like a Bobmon, beyond that it has BATR vibes.
G-Luke here: I am not a fan either.
: Quite overlaps with Deliraidon, so its whole niche on just being a snow abuser beyond that feels quite boring.
G-Luke here: I agree
: This has no pivoting moves, so it has no good reason to be a Scarf user, if anything I'd see this running Choice Specs, but Meteor Beam is the best set it has as it gives it a nuclear STAB and setup at once to threaten with a sweep.
That said, a Nihilego fusion being used to just make a MBeam abuser has been done since the past FELT, so this is boring.
G-Luke here: I agree with the first half
: This has a interesting defensive profile, while also adding a niche of a weather setter, Sticky Web setter and several others, while even having a mega that's probably fine, looking good!
G-Luke here: Kinda shoddy to me I don't know. But Sand is cool, might add some well needed variance to team building structure. Matchup fishes are gonna LOVE this one. (Ok this is Elec Rock with Levi, its ok then)
: Psychic/Ground is a really terrible combo you could make for a Unaware mon, it has too many common weaknesses and its stats don't compensate for that either, I'd suggest to make it pure Water or Water/Ground, although the latter has competition already, so may may consider doing another fusion while you can.
G-Luke here: I agree. Ground / Psychic patooie.
Okay sub, can be used offensively or defensively and we do lack slow wallbreakers.
G-Luke here: Overrated typing, no Polt. Mid
: Have you seen the tier of Bug mons with Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens? This thing is heavily underpowered and competes with Yveltox anyways beyond being a Sticky Web suicide lead.
G-Luke here: Lmao make this Fairy Flying lemmie see something
: A balanced setter, feels good without being too much for the meta, especially considering it enables a ton of Protosynthesis mons.
G-Luke here: What tha hell, screw Sun! I'm not tryna run 9 walls on a team for Roaring Sal.
: Grass-types are indeed trending on the meta, so this works nicely, you should probably mention the mega as it's most likely fine.
G-Luke here: It's ok
: I don't feel like we need fat Fires right now, Magic Bounce is a nice niche, but would surely shine more on something else.
G-Luke here: I agree
: Honestly this gives me vibes of Bronze Bonnet with an actual movepool, so I would be fine if it got in, a viable Steel/Ice outside offensive roles is quite notable, I'd say.
G-Luke here: I agree
: Looks okay-ish, but just kinda exists, Taunt is risky when it has no real capability to take a hit, so even a wall can most likely 2HKO it, gives me similar vibes to Ninjacross in FEUU, aka, a U-Turn spammer. And this isn't using Defog nor Agility lol.
G-Luke here: Bug Rock is the worst possible combination you could give this thing what tha hell. Free my people from thinking Bug types matter.
: This is running Belly Drum + Extreme Speed lmao
G-Luke here: This is not running Belly Drum + Extreme Speed lmao. If you do and it works out, hats off to you and your op is dumb as rocks.
: Not a fan of the name, it's really similar to Natu, beyond that it's an okay sub.
G-Luke here: I don't care about names but honestly I don't care about this Pokémon either.
: Ground is often commonly ran as coverage, so being nearly ensured to be OHKO'd by most setup sweepers makes this a poor Unaware option.
G-Luke here: He changed the mon, but I agree with what was said about it's previous incarnation.
: Good sub! It fills many offensive niches well, being a potential abuser of terrain by consuming its seed on switch-in is also worth mentioning as the increased bulk can ease its act of doing setup a lot.
G-Luke here: I agree with the general premise (check out what I said about this in Discord), but I think you (and OP) are overhyping it's mid ability. Great mon, metagame staple otherwise.
: Would be a good mon if it wasn't weak to the same stuff as Rotoghold, which downright prevents hazard removal from working at all, if you're going to add more hazard removal punishing, at least do so in a way Rotoghold can't handle.
G-Luke here: Mid
: Ironically Water/Bug is quite potent right now as it hits a good portion of the meta nicely, so it's a good sub overall as it compensates its flaws nicely.
G-Luke here: It's ok.
: Probably the best Unaware mon subbed so far, no silly gimmicks, no questionable typings, just a reliable Unaware mon that compensates with passivity, it's not like any team structure but stall should use a Unaware mon.
G-Luke here: If he made those edits discussed in Discord then I agree. If not Bob's one is the best.
: Uh... does Swarm's boost stacks with the weather one? Either way, this is a nice weather abuser, it's strong but not unbearably so.
G-Luke here: Very so so on this
: Plays fairly interestingly, it's an okay sub. And no, Scarf is a inconsistent way to check setup mons, I recall that well when I was forced to run semistall in FEUU over full stall.
G-Luke here: Vote for Drifting Wake, Tinkovish and Zoinkazenta!!!!!!
: Weirdmon, clearly is intended to be a offensive mon, but its attributes give me mixed thoughts on it.
G-Luke here: I agree, somewhat
: This sucks, Normal/Grass has a ton of common weaknesses, and trying to compensate with attributes or stats is asking for a BATR moment.
G-Luke here: Did not check edits, but I agree
: It's redundantly outclassed by Yveltox and Zarubok overall, namely by Yveltox having a boosting ability and stronger setup in QD, while Zarubok is already a Poison-type that absorbs all status with its ability.
G-Luke here: I agree, somewhat. Though Yveltox is kinda matchup fishy.
: Body Press isn't saving this, this is just a PU mon that does nothing but set hazards and die, it can't even be used as a wall as Bug/Fairy is quite poor defensively.
G-Luke here: I agree, shitmon
: The ability is stretchy, neither ability relates to stat changes of that kind, and it lacks the speed or utility to act as a suicide lead, its whole other niche on having three immunities is also a poor one as we've yet to have any attacker that relies on a combination of Normal or Fighting plus Ghost. While the enthusiasm is nice, you could try to look for roles that the meta could appreciate.
G-Luke here: it's a bit mid
: No, this isn't going special, it has Fusion Bolt for physical BoltBeam, if anything it's broken lmao.
G-Luke here: Abstain
: If anything the stats feel a bit lacking considering its movepool, it's even rather passive for the sort of teams that lean into offense in the first place, so overall it's underpowered.
G-Luke here: Fuck Rain rn tbh
: Surprisingly balanced, it only has setup on the physical side, which struggles in terms of Ghost STAB, which matters as its STAB combination is unresisted in the current meta, it also packs some utility and can do more than being a pivot, looks nice.
G-Luke here: I'll hold out thoughts, I think Bax is the by and large better Dragon Ghost
: Why are you listing Morning Sun on something that'd want to be in snow??? In any case, it exists.
G-Luke here: Make it stronger.
: This is broken, unresisted and boosted STABs coming from 130 SpA, nice speed tier and even has setup in NP.
G-Luke here: I agree.
: This just undermines the niche Rotoghold has of denying all sorts of hazard removal, and its bulk is a bit lacking for a wall of this meta either way.
G-Luke here: I think it's a fine Pokémon, Rotoghold's "niche" has long been established to be overstated in relevance.
: No one is going to run this over Deciperior, removing weather isn't that big of a niche right now, and neither is a physically bulky/offensive slow Ground.
G-Luke here: I have to agree here.
: Make it pure Ground with Unaware + Water Absorb. Jokes aside, Swift Swim sticks like a sore thumb for the sake of filler, give it Poison Touch + Unaware so it can threaten stuff with Knock Off even after removing an item, while also giving it more variety than Scald.
G-Luke here: Do what I suggested instead.
: Funny mon, looks like a decent sub.
G-Luke here: I agree
: This would have been vetoed if Teras were legal, wouldn't it? Anyways, it's a funny mon.
G-Luke here: It's pretty ok. Unsure on Megas.
: I'd have expected a name like "Iron Bravery", especially as "Avian" doesn't make you quickly think of Braviary, but either way, it's a good sub beyond that.
G-Luke here: idc about the name, but great sub
: Would be good if we had a rain setter to begin with, until then it's too early to bring this up, its speed on its own is too lacking to act as a sweeper, and beyond that I'd rather use either (current) Iron Dirge or Garpyuku for the roles this'd do.
G-Luke here: I agree
: We just got a Dark-type H-Samurott fusion that focuses on breaking past our main hazard removal mons, so this comes off as extremely unecessary, especially if it's just "Ooh, STAB Sharpness Stone Axe + Ceaseless Edge on a single mon".
G-Luke here: Technically it's Poison not Dark.
: Simple is a BATR ability, and getting +2 SpA per kill on a mon with a unresisted STAB combination as far the current meta is concerned is questionable at best.
G-Luke here: I agree.
I'm also here to say that in general @Swagodile the new concepts aren't much better. Ur rain setter is absurdly broken just as a mon, not even regarding rain as a whole and the concept of Dancer + Protean is already an existing concept in the tier.
: interesting mon, can do either offensive or defensive roles depending on the set, especially with half of its ability only triggering once per battle.
G-Luke here: I agree
: Also one of the best Unaware submissions so far, simple and effective, and even doubles as potent hazard control, including the recent newcomer with Ceaseless Edge.
G-Luke here: I disagree, this Pokémon is way too optimized for it's role. I shouldn't feel like I can viably run my Unaware wall on offense teams instead of a typical bulky Ground and feel no sacrifice, and that's why Iron Dirge was as problematic as it was.
: Finally a good rain setter, I'd note that this also gets Wish, which is relevant as it can keep more longevity with that and even has the bulk to act as a defensive backbone in rain teams like Pelipper does in vanilla.
G-Luke here: No finallies. Rain is probably alot more manageable than Sun rn, but I still feel like our metagame isn't 100% ready for that yet.
: This is really strong, but it compensates with practically no ability, looks good.
G-Luke here: I agree
: Bug/Rock has next to no resists, I wouldn't be surprised if this just quickly ages poorly and we're forced to make it Rock/Dark if this gets in.
G-Luke here: Going Rock Dark eventually probably would happen, but not because it's broke. Typing's ass cheeks it would need that buff.
: You made Mesflame 2, congratulations, anyways, Libero only shines offensively, look at how
right now struggles as it can't just lead with Quiver Dance without being forced to be a pure Bug type for the rest of the time it's on the field, I'd suggest to just swap to Blaze + Levitate, beyond that it's a really good sub.
G-Luke here: I believe this Pokémon has a much better shot at being good with Defensive Protean than the likes of Midscarada over there, thanks to real bulk and good moves / typings to change to + a flat out immunity no matter what. Do with that info what you will.
: Making the mega Ghost/Fighting is actually a nerf as it has no good physical Ghost STAB, also, Mega Kick sucks, look at how much M-Tapu Lop used it in FEUU (basically never). Honestly the mega is more than fine in whichever way you take it. Looks like a good sub overall either way.
G-Luke here: I agree with the Mega Take, but I feel like it's base form is a bit of a problem child itself.
: Interesting take for a Unaware mon, namely one that can alternate into offensive roles instead with a mega, good sub.
G-Luke here: It's ok.
: This is going to only use Specs, and also speed ties with a similar mon in Iron Legion, it's a balanced sub, but it feels boring IMO.
G-Luke here: I agree. But Scarf would be good here just on the basis of having high damage regardless too.
: Rock/Dragon with Levitate provides an interesting defensive profile, which is further complemented by raising its bulk with Sand, can easily be a scary setup sweeper, yet is kept in check out of its weaknesses being fairly common.
G-Luke here: I agree.
: You basically made Alakazam 2, which is a bit boring, and I'm not sure what niche it fills.
G-Luke here: Strong sweeper.
: Speed Boost is a difficult ability to balance around, and this can easily break past offense with a few turns of its ability, I'm unsure on this mon as it's also a Bug/Electric type.
G-Luke here: I'd keep an eye out on this thing tbh. Gives borderline vibes if it gets off.
: You basically made Annihilape but balanced while also keeping it fresh, nice.
G-Luke here: I honestly prefer the Fire Fighting typing, but it goes against your envisioned concept so unfort.
: Subbing something only for the mega is really lame, this sub is boring.
G-Luke here: Very funny that you believe that this Mega evolution isn't getting auto vetoed. Anyway, it's base is quite fine, it's typing is eh defensively but quite good offensively. STAB Priority will ensure its no pushover against offense.
: Yeah no, a x1.3 boost to all attacks under a weather it sets on switch-in is a really strong ability (cough
), you could legit just run Specs and KO something every time it comes in. BTW, it's going to abuse Sandsear Storm over Earth Power, especially as it can't miss under rain.
G-Luke here: I didn't know that last detail but damn, broke as hell agree asf.
: Quite simple and to the point, a offensive mon that sets hazards and then kills itself as it tries to blow a hole or two on a team, okay sub.
G-Luke here: I agree, big attack yum.
: A quite good sub! Jokes aside, please check out the other Unaware mons I've already evaluated, some are really solid picks, especially as variety on Unaware mons wouldn't hurt this meta especially given its trends.
G-Luke here: Do not vote for more than one Unaware sub, please and thanks. I do think this one is pretty good though, so this one might be worth the single pick.
: Now this is a paralysis abuser, although paralysis isn't something that can easily be spammed in the current meta, so it feels a bit underpowered.
G-Luke here: It's ok.
: No, this sucks a lot, Water/Rock is an awful type combination for defensive purposes, Unaware only triggering if it's at half health also renders it with no ability in practice as either the ability doesn't trigger and you die to a setup mon, or the ability does trigger but you're 2HKO'd anyways by the inherent chip required for that to activate in the first place. If your aim was doing a Unaware mon for offensive teams, then I'm not sure if this'd work given the inherent inconsistency to even have its ability working, it's not that fast either to even force itself into such HP amounts consistently.
G-Luke here: I agree.
: Neither ability mentions a x1.15 multiplier, a multiplier that isn't a multiple of x0.5 is also terrible for Speed as then it's extremely difficult to measure, it's also way too fast for that kind of offensive typing, so overall it's overpowered either way.
G-Luke here: Eh
: Neither ability mentions a x1.25 nor a x1.33 multiplier, and using the proper multipliers (x1.5) would inherently make this rather broken either way.
G-Luke here: Anti Sun, no thank you!