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It is not. You can not obtain them.OH DEAR GOD.
I just checked, and Deoxys is back in every form. I'm terrified of what this means for BDSP OU.
It is not. You can not obtain them.OH DEAR GOD.
I just checked, and Deoxys is back in every form. I'm terrified of what this means for BDSP OU.
Imagine forgetting that hail exists because its basically useless without arctozolt, heavy duty boots, and permanent weather. I do agree that manaphy and many dragons are gonna bet banned, not sure if blaziken is broken, but I definitely could see it getting banned. Also don't really see how zone is a problem in SS, but than again I don't really use metal birds or ferrothorn.Quick thoughts:
-Dragon spam is insanely noxious. Having to run two checks to it that are just useless to sunspam isnt fun or competitive. Latios and Multiscale Dragonite should be looked into, Garchomp has nasty weaknesses the entire metagame can exploit. Magnezone is not the problem like it is in SS.
-Blaziken is insanely busted and is as obscene as it was during BW sun, get it suspected. Any autoweather besides sand has no place in an underpowered metagame like BDSP.
- Manaphy is still Manaphy and if it isnt looked into youre going to run the risk of alienating every team that cant just offensively kill it.
It seems you can use the Deoxys forms in BDSP OU.It is not. You can not obtain them.
They are not obtainable in-game at the moment, and are therefore banned from the format. Once they become obtainable I would assume all (except maybe defense?) would be automatically placed in ubers.It seems you can use the Deoxys forms in BDSP OU.
I hope you're right about electivire, as it just kinda feels like gf forgot about him, even magmortar got in the role compendium as a wallbreaker. His main issue was his bad typing on top of his general lack of offensive power, so it would be nice to see him be useful in ou for once with better physical electric stab.
Might be generally outclassed at first rolewise, but can turn tables if Magnezone or Raikou become more and more popular. An Electivire can switch into them to get the +1 Speed boost from Motor Drive, OHKO with Earthquake and possibly proceed to dent the opposing team, as it can also OHKO Garchomp with Ice Punch after the Motor Drive boost (unless Scarfed or Yache'd). Might not be that good otherwise, but if Raikou and Magnezone become too much popular, Electivire gets the opportunity to shine and compromise the opposing team.
Despite having its comfortable spot in ZU, PU and/or NU across several generations, it kinda concerns me that in BDSP it now has access to Body Press to abuse its 145 base Defense stat and, to make it more frightening, it synergizes with its Magnet Pull ability. Might not be a big deal for OU but can be a thorn on the side for Steel-types. (additional note: it also works well under Trick Room teams)
I don't feel 123 base Attack being a lack of offensive power, although having Wild Charge as the only way to physical STAB quite hurts it a bit. Also, unlike Magmortar, it has the tools to go into mixed sets as well, many Electric pokémon (not named Eelektross) envy such a movepool as Electivire's.His main issue was his bad typing on top of his general lack of offensive power, so it would be nice to see him be useful in ou for once with better physical electric stab.
Manual rain is indeed challenging to pull off but if you can you can do amazing things. Kingdra is truly the king of dragons when rain is up and the Choice Specs variant is a powerhouse that can OHKO almost everything with a single attack. Ludicolo is another invaluable mon as it can basically replicate Manaphy's coverage, AND have STAB on grass attacks AND prop up a substitute just to scout or even have a turn to attack outside of rain. Kabutops and Azumarill offer immediate power, and I give Kabutops Aqua Jet alongside Waterfall just to punish anything cocky enough to try to use Mach Punch. Kabutops and Ludicolo also complement each other's typing well, with Azumarill being the physical choice band set and Kingdra being a special sweeper.Yo let me tell you all about my new best friend: M A N U A L R A I N
Firstly anyone who thinks Drizzle shouldn't have been banned should try out some M A N U A L R A I N because it turns out the playstyle is totally legit and still ploughs through much of the ladder. I mean, have you ever tried looking through all the Pokemon who can learn rain dance? How about like literally 90% of them, or at least something close to that. Pick any OU Pokemon and chances are they learn rain dance. Let's throw out a few ones who are already some of the best Pokemon in the meta just to show you how many mons get the move.
Garchomp: Great speed, can set rocks as well, forces switches constantly, still gets chip off with rough skin. Ain't nobody gonna switch Torkoal into Garchomp to reset the weather lol.
Scizor: I've been using this with great success. Amazing roll compression with defog, can slow u-turn out to bring in your abusers, weakens the fire moves aimed at it.
Latias: Speed, great bulk, can double as a defog and heal with roost like Scizor. Even has the ability to healing wish to bring back a rain sweeper up to full.
Jirachi: Big collection of everything from above. Rocks, steel typing, u-turn or healing wish. Can even use Thunder for perfectly accurate move with a 60% chance to para.
And that's barely scratching the surface. You have suicide leads like Azelf and Aerodactyl, or even more niche options like Crobat, Froslass or even (god forbid) Jolteon. There's general bulky mons with regenerator like Tangrowth or Slowbro that can come in repeatedly to set the rain. There's the irritating shits like Prankster Sableye or magic bounce Xatu or even just use the free turns Blissey generates to set rain. That's before we even get into the abusers who are all perfectly happy to set it for themselves like Kingdra, Manaphy or Raikou. Even if they die while taking something down, in comes their team mate to use the remaining 2 turns to fuck things up further.
I'd like to hear what folks think are the best potential M A N U A L R A I N setters in the meta, because it's something I've only ever mucked around with in lower tiers so seeing it be completely viable in a top tier is kinda wild.
I understand. I came to this conclusion, and I am relieved, yet disappointed at what the meta has come to, being either Dragon spam or stall. Something like Deoxys could really shake things up. (Gamefreak, release the event, please.)mod moment chiming in to say that Deoxys is indeed unreleased. I believe it is currently legal in random battles, but that is ran through an entirely separate process. If/when Deoxys releases it and its forms will be looked at appropriately then, hope that clears up any speculation and would like to ask that that discussion not continue, thanks
seeing lots of good discussion so far, keep it up!
I do agree 123 base attack isnt bad, I was referring to electivire's problem of having moves with low base power, specifically stab attacks. In gen 4 his best physical stab attack was thunder punch.I don't feel 123 base Attack being a lack of offensive power, although having Wild Charge as the only way to physical STAB quite hurts it a bit. Also, unlike Magmortar, it has the tools to go into mixed sets as well, many Electric pokémon (not named Eelektross) envy such a movepool as Electivire's.
Indeed, it actually canMagmortar has the same attack stat as electivire's spa, so it can run mixed sets.
Good question. Only Murkrow and Sableye are the only ones with access to Prankster in BDSP. Although, between the two, it feels like a choice between Murkrow with Thunder Wave and Sableeye with... pretty much everything else (and Knock Off).I see alot of posts but is Sableeye dead in this meta?
wdym stop using weavile? it is able to take care of alakazam, gengar, and dragon spamAnyone wanna talk about how crazy alakazam is? Only relevant mon that outspeeds it is Weavile (Weavile is bad stop using it), and sometimes it just auto wins with a nasty plot up. It also has like zero checks besides sp def scizor. Imo the best cleaner in the entire game right now.
Above all else, Pursuit being killed from the game is probably the biggest hindrances the game have. Latios needed a slight tuning back in gen 4 to be perfectly fine and now both the Latis are able to go in scotch free with far less worries about hazards and Sandstorm to the point that even Latias might be too strong. It also just feels very "incomplete" with Pokemon like Jirachi and Zapdos feeling downright neutered and I don't know if even significant changes are able to make this hold a candle to gen 4.I've only played a bit, but while BDSP is fundamentally a completely different game than DP OU (Lack of Pursuit really hurts) it has idk... DP OU's spirit, or at least it will once we get some obvious bans out of the way
Like, Dragon's are obviously overtuned but I miss when they actually had an "oh shit" factor when sent out have rather than being "just another type." Obviously not good for overall balance, but it's definitely fun.
Thank you for taking me back to the early gen 5 days I love you so much.
This core is deadly in the current metagame. Scizor and Latios combine to check most of the offensive threats in the metagame, providing some safety. But most importantly, they force a lot of switches to steel types, allowing Infernape to come in and wreak havoc. Very little in the metagame switches in to mixed Infernape reliably, so it really just clicks buttons on everyone. You can pretty much pair this core with any two offensive mons and a hazard setter, and you've at least got a decent team.
I still run manual rain. This core doesn't do a thing to me, except for Latios.
This core is deadly in the current metagame. Scizor and Latios combine to check most of the offensive threats in the metagame, providing some safety. But most importantly, they force a lot of switches to steel types, allowing Infernape to come in and wreak havoc. Very little in the metagame switches into mixed Infernape reliably, so it just clicks buttons on everyone. You can pretty much pair this core with any two offensive mons and a hazard setter, and you've at least got a decent team.