On that note, until further testing is done, why don't you observe the uber tierlist from Singles as the doubles banlist? Once a doubles metagame is actually underway, more testing can be done to see if certain ubers are less broken in doubles then in singles.This isn't meant to mimic Nintendo's official tournaments. It's to create an official Smogon metagame that will be supported alongside the VGC metagame.
As stated in before posts in this thread I believe sleep clause should well be implemented as seriously having a whole team of sleeping pokemon unable to outspeed their lead is destroying the point of strategy, prediction and team building, basically what pokemon is excluding in-depth mechanics. I agree that a test should be given and I already believe dark void should be banned and a 1 sleep clause pokemon rule should be put in place. But again testing is required somewhat but we can always debate issues and bring up issues to see what we have to test. Hmm banlist again can't be certain until we get some testing but the standard ubers list is what we should go with for the moment.....I think as no other pokes except for combos such as well constructed RD teams look too absolutely broken.Without a Sleep Clause we will simply see a Bunch of Scarf Gravity Jirachi paired with Scarf Dark Void Smeargle, so Dark Void will never miss, hit both foes and the victim will probably not switch in fear of getting the rest of his Pokemon put to sleep. (The Jirachi will probably be switched out for a EQ/Phazer as Smeargle continues to Dark Void endlessly incase the opponent switches again until Gravity wears off).
I guess, though, it would be fair to give No Sleep Clause a try for the 2 weeks, may as well see what is truly broken in comparison.
Very much true we can plan ahead all we want but until Colin, DJD and various other developers get SB2 running we won't have enough data and usage ratios to determine tiers, banlists etc. In Game testing perhaps? Hmm it does have some advantages as we do get to test before SB2 comes out. Any ideas on this subject of tasks to clear before the release of SB2?On that note, until further testing is done, why don't you observe the uber tierlist from Singles as the doubles banlist? Once a doubles metagame is actually underway, more testing can be done to see if certain ubers are less broken in doubles then in singles.
hmm it's a start we could do that. Sorry I cannot take part as wifi is down for me as it disallows me from battling people.If we could assemble some teams, we could hold some sort of event and do a little in game testing to see how things could work.
Yeh I agree with everything mentioned in this post. The tests should ultimately be based on peoples votes for the pokemon which are arguably much better than their usual tier.Okay, I might as well have my say.
I truly believe that we should still mimic most of the standard OU (6v6 singles) rules / banned Pokémon. I actually like the first ban-list suggested by Rory in post one. It lowers the amount of tests we'll actually have to do, and I honestly think most of them would be Uber anyway so it'd be a wasted effort.
Sleep Clause should be used for the standard 2v2 (6v6 doubles) rules, as should Freeze Clause. OHKO and Evasion are things I'm less bothered about, but I'd rather see them banned. We'll have the VGC rules as well for seperate tournaments anyway, so we can just use those if everyone's annoyed at not playing Nintendo's metagame.
noNow I mentioned Bibarel, does Simple effect your partner?
The way it's stated on Serebii, it does, but I've never tested it...
I agree. We can run different sets of rules. Still we need testing to see who's banned and who's not.Okay, I might as well have my say.
I truly believe that we should still mimic most of the standard OU (6v6 singles) rules / banned Pokémon. I actually like the first ban-list suggested by Rory in post one. It lowers the amount of tests we'll actually have to do, and I honestly think most of them would be Uber anyway so it'd be a wasted effort.
Sleep Clause should be used for the standard 2v2 (6v6 doubles) rules, as should Freeze Clause. OHKO and Evasion are things I'm less bothered about, but I'd rather see them banned. We'll have the VGC rules as well for seperate tournaments anyway, so we can just use those if everyone's annoyed at not playing Nintendo's metagame.
then how comes my fissure never missed?Moves only have 100% accuracy if they're being used by the Pokémon with No Guard or on the Pokémon with No Guard.
I take it this happened on netbattle. There are many, many errors in the program. Other examples include Tailwind lasting for 5 turns, and Sucker Punch sometimes failing.then how comes my fissure never missed?