I have been pining for a cold water move for years. Please give me numbers for this thing.
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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Maybe this cold water is a surefire proc vs scalds possible proc
Pounce is a new bug type move that lowers the target's speed and has 50BP so I'm guessing Chilling Water is the same.
I don’t think it being mostly plain (though it does have armour plates, I think that’s pretty clearly what the hexagons are?) is much of an issue tbf. As long as the animations sell a personality. I understand the argument that it doesn’t have much of a personality right now, but I could easily see it having some pretty strong, striking animations.
Will say though, those claws 100% need to be longer to truly sell the concept. I hope it gets longer claws when it attacks.
eh, sorta.
-atk and burn play much differently.
This one is guaranteed, and stacks, and doesn't get invalidated by other statused.
On other hand burn is permanent and dots.
I don't mind both existing, even though they do serve comparable utility+damage purpose.
I mean, yeah sure, but specifically since we already have a lot of creative / interesting design, having a handful of more mundane-memey ones doesn't exactly hurt, if anything it's more variety.
We know from Khu that Dundunsparce has a (non gender, and obtainable) alternate form, so it could still have a more complex design hidden somewhere there.
Since none of all the Water/Ice types we have get access to Scald (but Crabominable, a non-Water Ice type does btw) Chilling Water could be like a decent option for them. Wonder what its power will be, I imagine slightly higher than Pounce and Trailblaze's 50, since its from a later gym than those two, but its possible its the same as them.
I don't think we had the name yet, final stage of Nacli is called Garganacl. Nice shot of its in-game model too, I think it's actually the best look at it so far (and even this isn't amazing).
Blocked out the trainer as this is a story related battle! I know some people don't want to see that sort of thing yet.
Dual Wingbeat is a level-up move for Kilowattrel.
Also, here's another look at Garganacl:
Also, here's another look at Garganacl:
I swear this thing came straight out of Pokemon Quest and i absolutely love it
I don't think we had the name yet, final stage of Nacli is called Garganacl. Nice shot of its in-game model too, I think it's actually the best look at it so far (and even this isn't amazing).
I can see shiny hunters actually be willing to use some of these.
Self-explanatory what this is. Seems fine, probably won't use it.
Unlikely I would except "more materials" / "more rewards from tera battles", as I'm supposing that you kinda will need these for TM crafting so may as well start stack up early for any kind of postgame one wants to do.
Why would Dudunsparce have a genderless form?
HUGE nerf to Recover! Oh man, down from 32 PP back in gens 1-3 all the way to 8PP!
Who knows why or if it's genderless, I'm not necessarily trusting Khu on it, but we do know for certain Dudunsparce has another form. What we've seen so far is called something like Two Section Form in the PokéDex, meaning there's a form that isn't that.
So it wasn't just Rest.
Well, I can see the stall-haters in OU rejoicing. Long live the king HO, stall is (probably) finally dead.
Recover's been 16 PP since gen 4.
You know that's kinda what he said right? :P from 32 to 16 and now down to 8.
As I said above, I can see smogon players celebrating this!
Though for once, I don't say it for memes, I hate stall myself even in VGC/BSS so I'll join them.
Chilling Water is better for short battles than Scald due to stacking, which means the Mon using the move twice before being hit could start boosting, recover or something .
In the long run, however, Scald is better, since burn is mostly permanent. This means, that the burned Mon can't use it's physical strength vs other threats on the opposing team later in the match, not only vs the Scald user.
Remember Keldeo in ORAS, things like Dragonite and Azumarill were theorical checks, but in practice they could get burned and be useless for the rest of the match. If Keldeo instead of Scald had Chilling Water, it would matter lesser for Azu and Dragonite, since the former could use Belly Drum and remove the -1 and the later could heal with Roost and come back later to check Keldeo again or boost vs Zard-Y.
Honestly, Chilling Water is a very good addition to the game and isn't nearly as frustrating to fight against as Scald is. A shame most Water Mons will still be using Scald.
In the long run, however, Scald is better, since burn is mostly permanent. This means, that the burned Mon can't use it's physical strength vs other threats on the opposing team later in the match, not only vs the Scald user.
Remember Keldeo in ORAS, things like Dragonite and Azumarill were theorical checks, but in practice they could get burned and be useless for the rest of the match. If Keldeo instead of Scald had Chilling Water, it would matter lesser for Azu and Dragonite, since the former could use Belly Drum and remove the -1 and the later could heal with Roost and come back later to check Keldeo again or boost vs Zard-Y.
Honestly, Chilling Water is a very good addition to the game and isn't nearly as frustrating to fight against as Scald is. A shame most Water Mons will still be using Scald.
You know, memes aside, I have to say this is kind of a weird change.
I've always advocated that GF doesn't care for smogon (and I still think they don't), but I don't recall recovery moves being particularly common in VGC or BSS.
I know that timer-stalling has been a degenerate strat that they want to stop ofc, but I'm unsure if this is their way to do it, or one of the devs actually lost to Toxapex on low ladder on smogon and decided it was time to stop.
I agree. Though they could balance it by nerfing or removing Stealth Rock too. That or reducing Knock Off distribution, so Leftovers are a source of reliable recovery again.