I tried this before that was posted, I just didn't bother to post it until I wear reading this thread just now. Also a "quick search" for any swine + stealth rock doesn't easily find that post, it was only with his username that I easily found it.Oh, I'm aware. But a quick search would have revealed your findings to be false... hence didn't "try" to confirm much of anything.
Could you please change Blue or Purple to Green or something? It's kinda hard to differentiate them when they are next to each other.Hm... for gen 6 SR users... the only ones that would probably need looking into are the new Mineral group Pokemon: Honedge's line (intuition tells me they won't learn it), Carbink (naturally at Level 21) and Klefki (afaik, Klefki doesn't learn it, priority Rocks would be interesting to say the least).
Made a table of the egg groups of all the new Pokemon,
I'd actually start watching the anime again if the characters decided to use their brains like that.I see stealth rock being used as much as ever.
Seems fair to punish those who are obsessed with switching pokemon. I mean imagine if the pokemon anime had battles that showed trainers switching their pokemon 4 times EACH before a single attack actually is used.
lol that is why we use hazards.
FYI: Galvantula is faster than Smeargle and gets Sticky Web. Hell, Galvantula's 108 speed beats a lot of things!In terms of Heavy Offense, so long as something has high speeds, a Focus Sash, and Stealth Rock, there will always be a Pokemon that can do just that for HO. Examples include: Deo-N and Smeargle with Sticky Web. To be honest, I could name a whole bunch more, but those two are the best and if you're not using those for HO you're doing it wrong. There are lots of stally Pokemon that get SR (hiya Ferrothorn!) so I wouldn't be worried about SR going anywhere. As long as Flying-types and Multiscale and Sash and Sturdy exists, SR will too!
Are these the only ones we have confirmed so far, or has more been tested? I really wish the original post of this thread would add this information in, since it would be really helpful for people planning to add a legal Stealth Rocks user on their team, before Pokebank.Oh, I'm aware. But a quick search would have revealed your findings to be false... hence didn't "try" to confirm much of anything.
I believe this brings our pre-Bank "OU-quality" Stealth Rock user list to:
Mamoswine
Tyranitar
Ferrothorn
Forretress
"Lower tier" users:
Crustle
Tyrantrum
Gigalith
Golem
Steelix
Carbink
Agreed with the Talonflame easily kill Ferrothorn, but since the defog rumor was a bunch of bull, it can't get rid of rocks if they get set up.I hate Stealth Rock for pretty much forcing the game to revolve around it, but for that exact reason it's not going anywhere. I do think its usage will change just a little, though. With the decline of suicide leads and the buff to defog, I see dedicated hazard setters, even Ferrothorn, being conserved far more wisely - brought out mid-game rather than the beginning- now that there are far more numerous viable pokemon who can get it off the field. Talonflame alone can destroy Ferrothorn and get rid of rocks on its own.
what about forretress?Armaldo was the only viable spinner.
And any effective user of king's shield and protean will have no trouble dealing with Ninjask (though I'm assuming Greninja's already used protean before you switch in. A free attack on a dark type hazardous to Greninja's health)Night Slash Ninjask consistently beats Aegislash and Greninja, who are in abundant supply at the moment.
Pretty sure those are banned because they enforce a predominately luck based game. Stealth Rock does not. It has nothing to do with "liking" it or not.Or maybe we actually enjoy playing with Stealth Rocks? If Smogon didn't like it, we'd ban it. (See Evasion Clause and Moody)
A friend of mine brought up a point similar to this, and in response, I built a team solely to counter SR without having to use it myself. It wasn't tournament viable, as magic bounce mind games can get messy, but if played right, I never lost to teams built around SR (spikes was a different story)Stealth Rock is the Prisoner's Dilemma. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma)
It is in both player's best interest if neither player uses the move as it (arguably) allows both players to play the game in a purer form.
However, it is very disadvantageous if your opponent uses it and you don't.
Because of this, it becomes an "illogical choice" for any individual to not use it, as it either gives you an advantage or places you at neutral, at worst.
This leads to everyone needing to use Stealth Rock.