Zangoose



Okay so this is my first thread, so go easy on me if I did/am doing something foolish.


Zangoose
Immunity - Cannot be Poisoned at any time. Somewhat useful against toxic stallers.
Toxic Boost(DW) - Attack stat is increased 50% when poisoned. THIS. IS. SO. GOOD.
73/115/60/60/60/90


Level Up moves -
Lvl 1 - Scratch
Lvl 1 - Leer
Lvl 5 - Quick Attack
Lvl 9 - Swords Dance
Lvl 14 - Fury Cutter
Lvl 18 - Slash
Lvl 22 - Pursuit
Lvl 27 - Embargo
Lvl 31 - Crush Claw
Lvl 35 - Taunt
Lvl 40 - Detect
Lvl 44 - False Swip
Lvl 48 - X-Scissor
Lvl 53 - Close Combat

TM/HM Moves -
TM01 - Hone Claws
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM14 - Blizzard
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - Solar Beam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM27 - Return
TM28 - Dig
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM48 - Round
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM54 - False Swipe
TM56 - Fling
TM59 - Incinerate
TM63 - Embargo
TM65 - Shadow Claw
TM66 - Payback
TM67 - Retaliate
TM75 - Rock Slide
TM80 - Swords Dance
TM81 - X-Scissor
TM83 - Work Up
TM84 - Poison Jab
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 - Substitute
TM94 - Rock Smash
HM04 - Strength

Egg Moves -
Flail
Double Kick
Razor Wind
Counter
Curse
Fury Swipes
Night Slash
Metal Claw
Double Hit
Disable
Iron Tail
Final Gambit
Feint


Gen IV Moves -
Focus Punch
Water Pulse
Giga Drain
Shockwave
Secret Power
Endure
Captivate
Sleep Talk
Natural Gift
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Knock Off
Thunder Punch
Last Resort
Snore
Swift
Endeavor
Mud-slap
Rollout
Low Kick
Headbutt



Movesets

Swords Dance
@Toxic Orb
4HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Toxic Boost
Naive/Naughty

-Swords Dance
-Close Combat/Brick Break
-Night Slash/X-Scissor/Aerial Ace
-Facade

Okay, essentially this will function similarly to a Guts Ursaring, except faster. Switch in, get your TB boost, Swords Dance if you can without dying, and go to town. Close Combat is preferred, but Brick Break can be used for those who want to protect what little defense he has. Night Slash is best for the third slot for ideal coverage, but one can opt for X-Scissor if they wish. Aerial Ace might seem like an odd choice, but it's the only way this violent mongoose can protect itself from fighting types. Facade is Facade. With Wish support for when Zangoose's health gets low, you will find this set to be even more devastating.



Wallbreaker
@Toxic Orb
252 Atk, 252 SpA, 4 Spe
Toxic Boost
Rash

-Work Up
-Focus Blast
-Night Slash/X-Scissor
-Facade

I know this seems farfetched (you know what I'm tempted to put there) given Zangoose's pitiful special attack stat, but with Work Up, it is definitely within the realm of possibility. Wish support will be more or less manditory in conjuction with this set, because unlike the previous one, at least a turn of set up will be required.
 

tehy

Banned deucer.
What exactly is focus blast breaking?

Nattorei and skarmory seem like the main things, so why not just use HP fire? more power, less miss.
 
Aerial Ace might seem like an odd choice, but it's the only way this violent mongoose can protect itself from fighting types.
Normal hits nearly all fighting types for neutral, so STAB Facade (140 * 1.5 = 210 base power) hits way harder than super effective Aerial Ace (60 * 2 = 120) except for 4x weak pokemon like Breloom/Virizion/Parasect/Leavanny.

Fighting types that resist normal (Terrakion, Lucario, Cobalion) are all neutral to Aerial Ace, so Facade still hits harder. I.e. there is no reason to use Aerial Ace.

If Ghosts are gone in opponent's party, Quick Attack deserves a spot or at least consideration in the first set, since Zangoose isn't that fast, but a Sword Dance Toxic Boost boosted Quick Attack can be compared to a SD Scizor Technician Bullet punch (just with 15 less base attack).

Also, there's no reason to not just use Jolly/Adamant instead of Naive/Naughty.
 

tehy

Banned deucer.
By leavanny, i think you mean heracross?

The only poke that can take an sd'd facade there has to be virizion, who probably outspeeds you anyways.
 

tehy

Banned deucer.
But it often boosts it for it's CM set.

And yes, i know it has base 72 defense, and base 90-something hp. But still,max/max might be able to, and i've seen those before.
 
But it often boosts it for it's CM set.

And yes, i know it has base 72 defense, and base 90-something hp. But still,max/max might be able to, and i've seen those before.
Max/Max+ Virizion takes 104.4-123.6% from +2 Toxic Boost Facade if Zangoose is running no attack investment and a -atk nature. A max investment + atk nature one deals 143.8-169.4%.
 

haunter

Banned deucer.
A discussion thread about this Pokemon already exists. Unless you can provide some arguments to use Zangoose in OU, then you should use this thread.
 

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