Metagame SM Ubers Sets Discussion

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kilometerman

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well untill groudon becomes able to learn swords dance, thats was my only option to boost atk.

now would lunala work like this:
Lunala @ normalium z (z-splash)
ghost/psychic
Ability: shadow sheild
SP. ATK 252 / 4 SP. DEF / 252 SPEED
moves:
splash
moongeist beam
blizzard
moonlight
Groudon does learn Swords Dance

Also Lmao @ that lunala set also >using lunala
 

Aberforth

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Perhaps not the best set in the world but oh well.

Groudon @ Rockium Z
Ability: Drought
EVs: X HP / 252 Atk / 256-X Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish
- Precipice Blades

Not a Primal Groudon, but it's been doing decently in a couple of test games. Speed and HP customisable for wanting to take certain hits like Precipice from other Pdons, Eruption after opposing don takes rocks (requires spdef as well as hp) and Mence's hits. I personally like to go quite a lot faster than most people would, but it doesn't mean much as +2 speed Groudon will outpace any non-scarfer on offense anyway. The reason to invest in speed would be for the stall/bulky matchups where you're wanting to get to +2 and then breaking. The basic reason for this set is that +2 Z-Stone Edge picks up KO's that regular PDon just cant quite do with the same coverage, and also gives you a 1 time Rock Type nuke that wont miss. Benchmarks like Giratina-O, Celesteela, both after rocks, and things like Bulky Mence can be reached by +2 (+1 vs mence) ZEdge that regular Pdon cant, which can mean the difference between breaking the check to things in the back, and getting Pdon dead for 70 odd on something that was only there for the PDon.

The other appealing aspect so to speak is that regular checks to Pdon like Groundceus and Zygarde struggle quite a bit more with beating regular Double Dance Groudon because they cant hit it nearly as hard, and Groudon can afford to get an extra hit off against them at least, potentially breaking the opposing team open for breaking options like Ho-oh (which is on the team I have with this because if I'm having sun anyway...). Obviously it's not going to revolutionise the meta or anything, but it can be fun if you're up against fairly standard teams, especially with Arceus-Water becoming a lot less common, and most of the Water/Grass/Ice type attackers in the tier not being used as much as they were in previous meta stages. But Zmoves give Groudon a legitimate option if you're wanting to run it. This isn't a glue mon or anything similar, and you'd need to build around this mon as opposed to it fitting naturally into a team, but it's pretty fun and I'd recommend giving it a go.
 
Perhaps not the best set in the world but oh well.

Groudon @ Rockium Z
Ability: Drought
EVs: X HP / 252 Atk / 256-X Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish
- Precipice Blades

Not a Primal Groudon, but it's been doing decently in a couple of test games. Speed and HP customisable for wanting to take certain hits like Precipice from other Pdons, Eruption after opposing don takes rocks (requires spdef as well as hp) and Mence's hits. I personally like to go quite a lot faster than most people would, but it doesn't mean much as +2 speed Groudon will outpace any non-scarfer on offense anyway. The reason to invest in speed would be for the stall/bulky matchups where you're wanting to get to +2 and then breaking. The basic reason for this set is that +2 Z-Stone Edge picks up KO's that regular PDon just cant quite do with the same coverage, and also gives you a 1 time Rock Type nuke that wont miss. Benchmarks like Giratina-O, Celesteela, both after rocks, and things like Bulky Mence can be reached by +2 (+1 vs mence) ZEdge that regular Pdon cant, which can mean the difference between breaking the check to things in the back, and getting Pdon dead for 70 odd on something that was only there for the PDon.

The other appealing aspect so to speak is that regular checks to Pdon like Groundceus and Zygarde struggle quite a bit more with beating regular Double Dance Groudon because they cant hit it nearly as hard, and Groudon can afford to get an extra hit off against them at least, potentially breaking the opposing team open for breaking options like Ho-oh (which is on the team I have with this because if I'm having sun anyway...). Obviously it's not going to revolutionise the meta or anything, but it can be fun if you're up against fairly standard teams, especially with Arceus-Water becoming a lot less common, and most of the Water/Grass/Ice type attackers in the tier not being used as much as they were in previous meta stages. But Zmoves give Groudon a legitimate option if you're wanting to run it. This isn't a glue mon or anything similar, and you'd need to build around this mon as opposed to it fitting naturally into a team, but it's pretty fun and I'd recommend giving it a go.
Arceus Water is used a lot still, Zygarde runs Dragon Tail most of the time and there is still a lot of status spam, the idea is nice but its not that good as you say...
 

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Perhaps not the best set in the world but oh well.

Groudon @ Rockium Z
Ability: Drought
EVs: X HP / 252 Atk / 256-X Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish
- Precipice Blades

Not a Primal Groudon, but it's been doing decently in a couple of test games. Speed and HP customisable for wanting to take certain hits like Precipice from other Pdons, Eruption after opposing don takes rocks (requires spdef as well as hp) and Mence's hits. I personally like to go quite a lot faster than most people would, but it doesn't mean much as +2 speed Groudon will outpace any non-scarfer on offense anyway. The reason to invest in speed would be for the stall/bulky matchups where you're wanting to get to +2 and then breaking. The basic reason for this set is that +2 Z-Stone Edge picks up KO's that regular PDon just cant quite do with the same coverage, and also gives you a 1 time Rock Type nuke that wont miss. Benchmarks like Giratina-O, Celesteela, both after rocks, and things like Bulky Mence can be reached by +2 (+1 vs mence) ZEdge that regular Pdon cant, which can mean the difference between breaking the check to things in the back, and getting Pdon dead for 70 odd on something that was only there for the PDon.

The other appealing aspect so to speak is that regular checks to Pdon like Groundceus and Zygarde struggle quite a bit more with beating regular Double Dance Groudon because they cant hit it nearly as hard, and Groudon can afford to get an extra hit off against them at least, potentially breaking the opposing team open for breaking options like Ho-oh (which is on the team I have with this because if I'm having sun anyway...). Obviously it's not going to revolutionise the meta or anything, but it can be fun if you're up against fairly standard teams, especially with Arceus-Water becoming a lot less common, and most of the Water/Grass/Ice type attackers in the tier not being used as much as they were in previous meta stages. But Zmoves give Groudon a legitimate option if you're wanting to run it. This isn't a glue mon or anything similar, and you'd need to build around this mon as opposed to it fitting naturally into a team, but it's pretty fun and I'd recommend giving it a go.
I personally like Dragonium Z better. Z-Dragon Claw handily OHKOs Ho-Oh, Zygarde, Giratina-A and Giratina-O at +2 while still OHKOing Mence at +1. I actually really like regular Don - it's definitely something that can win you games if you play it properly. I've been messing around it to use as a Drought team and it's kind of fun to use. Obviously you need to prepare for the fact that you need to check 10 other things now that PDon isn't around to do it, but build the team around it and it works pretty well.
 
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