I’m glad to see everyone’s posted at least once (I think). I’m currently planning to respond to everything that’s happened since I left last night,then go back through the first seven pages, and culminate with my reads based on that. I'm going to be on and offline sporadically today.
My impression of his BBM case is that BBM is scummy for testing his reaction (which is the pont of RVS, literally everything is a reaction test) and then going away for an hour, he doesn't talk about BBM's reads or his logic/mindset just the semantics over whether or not a vote in RVS is a reaction test and whether going away for an hour after making an RVS vote is scummy behaviour. This is a really desperately justified scumread imo for the sake of having one. What do you think of his comments that don't pertain to you
Fenrir Aesir
Did I not say that I think he felt pressured to include a “reason” with his vote? Or do you not consider that a mindset?
I’m working on a second post that contains my opinions on the first seven pages as a whole. This will include my thoughts on things not directly relating to me.
I'm only halfway through page 1 but Fenrir I don't think the vig and cop will be claiming anytime soon
Considering that the first thing I said in my first post was, “No power roles should claim,” good for them?
Are we by any chance going for a randlynch? In that case, feel free to lynch me as I'm a VT. Unlike other games, in this game, we NEED the power roles. Have a nice day.
I have problems with people claiming VT w/ no pressure if only because it accomplishes nothing. Early on it’s effectively filler. I don’t see how Asek gets a “hard town read” from this.
I encourage Champ to take the time to read all eight pages himself. It can be done multiple times over the course of an hour, especially considering how many of the posts are one-liners.
I think BBM and kirsche have summed up a lot of what I think about Fenrir, however, I will vote Earlio instead in the meantime. Last game, it was really obvious (in hindsight) that he was recruited, and obvious to me that he was town d1, so I'm putting pressure on someone who I think will be easy to read provided he posts more.
I think twin is town and Durza is more likely to be scum, but idk about Durza. I feel like, if he is being honest about why he asked Fenrir to claim, it is more likely that scum is thinking about what number majority is than town, so he may have honestly not realized. I do think a Durza/Fenrir team seems like it could make some sense.
Asek is acting similarly to last game when he was town, thats my only experience with him though.
Null reads on mostly everyone else.
There Are Vamps ITG is the only game on this site I’ve read, granted I don’t remember much of it because I was primarily spectating Hawkie. I do recall you and Earlio being recruits and plan on rereading that game to get an idea of the people present in both that and this one.
I need to go over the first seven pages still, but did Durza ever say he thought I was at L-1?
vote acidphoenix - sick vote by me right here. A lot of fluff in terms of actually statements/arguments and way too much question asking for me. It's not like twin or asek's constant activity but just feels like "getting by." Personally think this is a much better vote than what anyone has presented so far.
Funnily enough I think the first couple of pages were more noticeable for me in terms of stuff happening. Whether or not thats because I lost interest after the nonsense started flowing in I couldn't say.
I have no particular thoughts about twin. I think people give him too much of a pass on letting him do his "why did u do this x" or "x is scum" but never saying exactly anything beyond that. His constant flipflopping and stuff is annoying from a personal standpoint as well and probably damaging in terms of actually finding mafia but it's not something I can point to being as scum. Well I can, I'm just not going to for now.
Durza on the other hand is much more interesting in how violent his reaction was. Maybe that's too harsh a word, but boy, he got way too aggressive in response to twin. Perhaps this is just durza (I'm in no position to say) but the reaction just felt a little forced? BBM had some very good analysis in that he wasn't sure and I'm not even sure what set him off against twin in the first place. If there's no concrete/reasonable reason to get so aggressive, you have to think it's contrived in some way. And I think that points towards him being mafia looking to get a couple pity points in that people will feel his strong emotional reaction comes from a town.
I'm biased against people who post 1 billion single lined posts per day and biased towards people who are active enough, yet posting reasonable stuff that isn't just fluff "x is town" but actually provides interesting reasoning or stuff that I genuinely need to take the time to think about. For that reason Asek is bad, kirsche is good and BBM is very good. The problem with this meta shift for me is that so many people are posting like this that it's no longer feasible to say "well someone posting like this is probably not mafia because this would bring way too much attention to themselves." But when you have people posting like asek/twin every game/every time, the read just isn't there anymore. Add to the fact that you can't actually read to their content and you're forced to either ignore them or lynch them before endgame.
don't give a fuck about people who haven't posted, their time is coming.
i'm probably going to bed too. see ya
Jalmont’s post contains no opinion on myself, Asek, or Earlio. I’d appreciate seeing these. His decision to vote acidphoenix instead of one of the numerous established wagons reads town to me. I share the bias against people who flood the thread with one-liners,but I didn't think it's an unfounded bias-what's stopping themffrom compiling their thoughts?
Mostly just lurking, I suppose.
I'll join somethin' someday.
That’s the spirit.
Back now, sorry for the stupid combo of vote+dodge, I genuinely had to leave at that point (3% battery on phone, on vacation). My vote in Durza was mostly going off of how badly I cracked D1 on the vampire NOC and that was really the only NOC experience I had to go off of, so I was following that thinking that scum would react differently to increasing pressure compared to a town just getting increasingly annoyed.
And if I'm reading this correctly, there may or may not be a serial killer, which I'm sure would be easier to notice than the organized mafia through lack of posts/extreme safety on posts.
Was Durza not getting increasingly annoyed? I still need to my re-analysis of the first seven pages, but if I recall correctly he was.
I disagree very strongly with your thoughts on how the Serial Killer would play. To explain without introducing too much wifom to the subject, a Serial Killer can effectively play their town game due to not having partners to worry about and effectively knowing as much as a Vanilla Townie-their own role and wincon.
jalmont you realize that i was active for the 20 minutes between actually starting to play -> going to sleep and that's about all the time i was actually paying attention to the thread (literally my only other post is the initial RVS vote)
and yes i'm going to ask questions when the alternative is slogging through the first 6 pages for slips, which is both less efficient and less enjoyable
You don’t have to “dig through for slips,” but I encourage you in the same way I encouraged Champ to read through the whole game so far (it’s seriously not that much). You must be able to form
some opinion of your own through reading them.
Asek is coming off as town just from the similarity to town Asek from vamps, Twin seems too aggressive to be scum (but then again I said that about Hawkie, but different scenario here). Fenrir's posts seem pretty premeditated for what's basically the shitpost storm that is early D1 which could be a scum trying really hard to seem like invested town or it could just be his play style. Durza seems like annoyed town right now to me but I still have the vote on them to see how they react under more pressure.
Haven't really seen enough of anyone else so far to really get reads, but I'd figure that the theoretical serial killer would be laying very low, which could really be anyone who hasn't posted much.
My first post
is premeditated. I typed up my thoughts on the setup almost as soon as I found out what it was, but waited until I had my role PM to actually post it. I thought the comment with strikethrough at the end (“Because I waited for my role PM like a good boy”) made this clear.
On another note, I’m surprised to see
a lack of opinion on both myself and Durza, and a read on Thetwinmasters based on their aggression (I find aggression to be NAI). I started typing up follow-up questions only to see that you did in fact come to a conclusion later on. The comment on the Thetwinmasters read still stands.
Jalmont- why is asking questions scummy? that's pretty much what I'm doing too
I don’t want to put words in Jalmont’s mouth, but I think the problem is that acidphoenix isn’t following up on the answers people give to his questions (or even acknowledging they they’re answered).
Oh and I'm talking about the Serial Killrr because it would be more advantageous to lynch/rule out a serial killer over the mafia to prevent any power roles from dying accidentally if they targeted the SK.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but a PR targeting the SK doesn’t cause the PR’s death.
I got excited about Durza’s long post,but it’s mostly just him salting at Thetwinmasters. >_>
Reads and general thoughts
Alive:
acidphoenix - null read
Asek - feels townie to me, but I don't like the playstyle but w/e
BigBangMeteor - hasn't said enough, talk more.
Champ1604 - feels townie again, know him from PS trash
Earlio - Insightful postings occasion on, but confusing to read. Don't have a read either way
Fenrir Aesir - Leaning scum, reasoning given on first page. HOWEVER, he has improved greatly with calm and rational posting.
Haruno - I'm not gonna go ahead and say he's town but I do like the way he's thinking.
Jalmont - Need to see more, but null read.
kirsche - havn't seen enough
MoodyCloud - Need to see more, please post more.
Thetwinmasters - scum or terrible town.
zorbees - Null read, like the posts so far.
I’d like to give my thoughts on these reads.
acidphoenix-Null
Asek-What don’t you like about the playstyle and how does it detract from your town reading him?
BigBangMeteor-Null (by the way has definitely said enough for you to have an opinion imo)
Champ1604-What about him feels townie? Because at this point, I don’t see it.
Earlio-“Insightful postings early on.” Such as? Early on he has a total of two posts I recall, those being votes on myself and you before he leaves. “But don’t have an opinion either way.” AKA Null.
Fenrir-Scum “but has improved"
Haruno-I remember nothing of what he’s posted so fares I’ll need to go back and see if this is a valid read.
Jalmont-Null
Kirsche-Null
Moodycloud-Null
Thetwinmasters-Scum “or bad town”
Zorbees-Null “but like the posts far.”
Here’s my problem with this: Of the twelve reads here, seven are null. Granted, not everyone’s made a significant enough contribution yet, but why bother to include reads on those people? Additionally, you don’t seem willing to pursue either of your two scumreads all the way-in both cases you leave yourself an out to take if you decide later on that there’s a better target.
