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  1. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V3) (Rank changes are over until ORAS)

    Use umbreon with baton pass. I've posted on this so many times. I personally think Umbreon is a mid tier or top tier wall because of baton pass which lets it maintain offensive presence. It eases prediction like hell. Forgo protect, or don't. The standard set is also good.
  2. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V3) (Rank changes are over until ORAS)

    IMO, Clefable is far from S. I'm thinking it's more of an A/A- pokemon right now, since it's worse in the current post-aegi meta. It's a great mon, but it's simply just not bulky enough to be great. Let's list the biggest threats in the tier: Keldeo: Beats clefable no matter what spread is...
  3. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Impish Lando is slower, so it will stomach the +1 rock blast which will do like 50%, and then bring out a fast pokemon that can force hera out
  4. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Yeah the best it can do is U-turn out, which IMO, is good enough for a threat that is otherwise... completely unwallable? Cross is slow, so switch ins are relatively easy after a u-turn. Disaster averted, and momentum gained, whie lando stays relatively healthy enough to do it one more time...
  5. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    It's time for Lando-T to move to A+. The 252hp/252def+ set is nearly a must, and you see it spammed on the upper ladder. This is out of necessity almost, since the ladder has become fairly shitty post-aegi. Impish Lando-T checks/counters: cross, mawile, terrakion, breloom, dragonite, chomp...
  6. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 6 - Wrecking Ball [Read Post 423 for Posting etiquette]

    The way I see it, at this point the meta is dominated by 2 overpowered circles: the mega wall fuckers: mawile, char x, char y, cross, cham, gard, pinsir. If I don't get at least 2 kills a game using one of these, I'll be pissed. ^seriously these things are all obscenely "broken" under gen4-5...
  7. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    That's the entire point my friend. Baton pass, by and large, eliminates the need for prediction. I would agree chansey is a better wish passer. But one of vap's sets that I believe is most effective is not dedicated wishpasser, but BP pivot. Chansey would fit better on a stall team, while...
  8. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Lol this is utter bull shit. Vaporeon has wish, heal bell, scald immunity, baton pass. Suicune, Rotom-W, Slowbro, and Quagsire have none of that. Not to mention, baton pass is still VERY GOOD in the meta right now, especially on umbreon/vaporeon/sylveon. It gives great momentum ability...
  9. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Will always vouch for Torn-T, as I did like 6 months ago. AV is ridiculous and will quickly make a well made stall team into a testrun team that forgot to put items on all its pokemon. Also, super power > focus blast pls. Run mixed I'm not kidding, even at the expense of -Def stats. AV is...
  10. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Zygarde. Can we discuss this beast? Notable moves (attacking): earth quake, stone edge, extreme speed, dragon claw Notable moves (support): substitute, coil, dragon dance, glare Zygarde is pretty bulky and with substitute can be a set up late game sweeper with e-speed/eq/sub/coil, or an...
  11. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Ghost of Perdition

    1. Good pokemon are versatile. See: gengar, rotom-W, scizor, charizard, landorus, thundurus, lucario. Aegislash is one of a big handful of good pokemon. Versatile pokemon tend to have "no hard counters" because they have different sets for a reason. 2. If everything had a hard counter...
  12. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Agree with your points, but I'm definitely arguing for A+ for gengar. Post got buried at the bottom of last page, reiterating the relevant parts: This generation gengar is actually much more unpredictable, versatile, and stronger. -LO shadow balls can be spammed very easily thanks to its...
  13. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    IMO, it's time for Gengar to move to A+ rank. Last generation was kind of boring for gengar. It was good, as it always was, but only really ran one set: sub + painsplit/disable + Shadow Ball/Focus Shit (sub+3 attacks also existed, using either giga drain/tbolt). This was mostly due to how...
  14. Pokémon The Eternal Flower (or: Floette-E)

    Who cares about lesser recoil/slightly higher speed when you can switch in easier? Staraptor is never able to switch in, and relies on prediction or double switches. Floette is also not afraid of burn. I think it will be better than staraptor, and be someting like B+ tier.
  15. The decision to base UU off of 1760 stats

    If a 1500 player accounts for 2% the weight of a 1900 player... that's a narrow range no? Then I'll estimate that a player with 1700 will have 30% the weight of a 1900 player... Especially since you need to play a lot of games to get to 1900... it'll be really top heavy. I can't really speak...
  16. The decision to base UU off of 1760 stats

    Seems a bit drastic. How many people will have a "significant" impact? Seems like only 30-40, and the most weight will be given to someone who battles frequently. Seems like it could be easily distorted, no? Especially when you factor that these 30-40 people are using the same team for...
  17. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    Lol the new viability thread in the VR forum is a hilarious show of circle jerk elitist ego stroking. Also gengar in A- is pretty hilarious over there. It belongs in A+ because of how ridiculously (broken even?) the destiny bond LO 3 attacks set is. I've peaked top 5 on the ladder multiple...
  18. Other Current Metagame trends

    Sorry maybe the definitions don't change but the attitude towards them does. It's been a gradual process since 4th gen to rely more on checks than counters, and I stand corrected m-scizor is a strong check to azumarill, not a counter. But definitions are moot compared to real gameplay: It's...
  19. Pokémon The Eternal Flower (or: Floette-E)

    Really dreading this thing. It'll be a more viable staraptor that can actually switch in easily. You can be sure that it'll have HP ground and attempt with its life to predict your heatran switch in. It might finally force me to use.... Chansey the rapper
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