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I know it can feel overwhelming and there is a lot to account for rn, threat saturation is a common complaint. But it's not at all impossible to play balance or bulkier teams, even stall, this gen and multiple people have creatively made solid to great teams of these playstyles. Balance is not...

This is the biggest issue it has honestly. It actually can be pretty threatening when supported consistently by terrain, and SD+stabs+wildcharge is pretty wide reaching in terms of coverage (the latter boosted by Terrain). It's a shame that it's not an option because it has some cool on paper...

It makes no sense to waste a moveslot on something this powerful when you can relegate rocks elsewhere and let it focus on offense. You gain nothing from running rocks on it and lose a moveslot to make it even more stupid to pivot around. Balance and BO would severely struggle with it, and BO...

I'm gonna start with I don't even know what prompted this. We don't exactly have a need for a fat, 150 spatk wallbreaker that can handpick what "checks" it defensively based on coverage. It wouldn't be an offensive rocker, just a wallbreaker that blows shit up. There'd be no reason to waste a...

With the suspect concluding in Wellspring remaining legal (sad face), guess I'll throw in some noms post laddering for reqs (and general observations from playing) :Rillaboom: B -> B- Wellspring remaining legal kinda keeps it from being worse imo but it's still just not a very good pokemon...

Ogerpon-Wellspring: Ban

Losing a check will make a strong mon more common. This isn't really surprising, but banning Volc was good for the longterm health of the tier. It's not like Volc was the only check to Valiant. Glowking, Skeledirge, Moltres, Iron Crown, Gliscor (depends on set but can help play around it)...

I wasn't planning on posting more in the thread but I wanted to touch on this a bit. Wellspring's major set up opportunities come from the way it abuses pokemon such as Landorus-T, Gliscor, Heatran, Garganacl, Volcarona, Urshifu-R (especially choice locked), Mega Tyranitar, Alomomola. Rotom-W...

Now that I'm finally done laddering (hate leech seed and toxic now, 90% accurate is a lie), I'm comfortable in saying that I'll be voting to ban Wellspring. I've been pretty vocal about my thoughts on this mon, talking about its strength as a breaker and its general place in the tier as a top...

Confirming as ND9PON Moyaaa. Laddering for reqs this time took years off of me from all the missed 90% moves I swear .-. confirmed - :swablu:

GT is kinda the worst of the ground type matchups honestly. LandoT running EP actually makes it slightly less of a bad match up and something like Wish Mola can offset damage (and cover for some weaknesses). Also unless super effective, special hits do need to be especially strong (IE high BP...

Piggybacking off of 15's comment, its poor longevity makes it a shaky check into even things like Bolt/Lele as if it doesn't run investment, it gets overwhelmed too quickly. But if it runs investment, then it lacks damage output and makes it rather easy to take advantage of. It's a poor spinner...

Banworthy? No. Bad? Yeah that's a take alright. Million speed control? It's literally just scarf Meow (which is shit) that is faster and priority. Yes, it's containable with hazard+chip+other unique options like Barb, but don't exaggerate or make silly claims.

Mine were in plain view but for the sake of doing as I ask others to do Here. Who is "everyone"? Sorry where are you sourcing that from? "Very lenient" "not too late to concede" Mate, kindly drop the borderline smarmy and arrogant tone. Also some hint of condescension in there too. All I...