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  1. Vrin

    Resource Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread

    See this discussion (which was AFAIK never officially written down into any policy guideline, but has been de-facto adopted as policy). Smogon prefers to ban Pokemon to other metagame elements where possible; when something is broken, it is typically sufficient to ban the broken Pokemon, in...
  2. Vrin

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion, Part II [CLOSED FOR DLC]

    I mean, if you want to test your point, play BW OU but give Latios access to No Guard Focus Blast and see how quickly the tier comes apart. Remember, Latios doesn't even run HP Fighting all that commonly. Like, obviously there's downsides to Tera Blast relative to Hidden Power — you have to...
  3. Vrin

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion, Part II [CLOSED FOR DLC]

    My point is that Tera Blast existing creates new sweepers wholecloth, whereas Hidden Power allows existing sweepers to deal with, like, 2 or 3 more things. Like HP Ghost Keldeo hit 3, maybe 4 mons for nonnegligible damage (Lati@s (which Icy Wind was better against anyway), Jellicent, arguably...
  4. Vrin

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion, Part II [CLOSED FOR DLC]

    Comparing Tera Blast to Hidden Power is crazy to me. Nothing has ever swept by spamming Hidden Power; it was always used as a coverage option. HP Ghost Keldeo or HP Bug Dugtrio or HP Ice Raikou never swept by throwing out powerful Hidden Powers, they used it as coverage to hit a specific thing...
  5. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

    To me, suggesting an unban without doing the bare minimum of research of why the mon was banned in the first place is actively disrespectful both to the entire tiering process and to everyone who participated in the test (and by extension, those who played in the broader metagame around it). I...
  6. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

    I swear that most people who talk about dropping Ubers here, especially those who so obviously do so without knowing why they were banned in the first place, are just using it as a superiority-flexing exercise. Whether it be because they want to "know something others don't" about how Darkrai is...
  7. Vrin

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion, Part II [CLOSED FOR DLC]

    So, I want to talk about Tera Team Preview. I'm pro-ban on Tera (and still am), but in the previous suspect test, I decided I favoured Tera Team Preview to No Action. "Even a mild restriction on Tera is better than nothing", I thought to myself. But having played and watched the metagame for a...
  8. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

    This creates the problem of deciding which tier is "official", especially with tournaments like WCOP upcoming. Whichever tier doesn't have that "official" banner (as in, isn't in tournament play) won't have anywhere near as much high-level development because there's no reason for top players to...
  9. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Voted 3 Garg / 4 Volc / 2 Shed (though I think there's an argument for putting all three at 5, which I'll elaborate on) and wrote the following in the "additional issues" section, figured I'd copy-paste it here to make it a bit more public. It's a fairly radical stance but this metagame is in...
  10. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    This is some pretty crazy selective memory, given that Dynamax, Power Construct, Shadow Tag, Arena Trap, Drizzle + Swift Swim (and cousins), BW Sleep, and BW Gems as a whole were all banned for principally power-level-related reasons (even if you could argue some of them had uncompetitive...
  11. Vrin

    Announcement np: SV OU Suspect Process, Round 2 - Munch

    With all due respect, if you're relying on Chien-Pao to "keep [Garganacl and Dondozo] in check", I do not think you have a great shot at making voting reqs. Edit @ below: Then congrats; I recommend you post them before your GXE decays! Surely you wouldn't lie about such a thing, right?
  12. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    We're midway into week 2 of SPL now, and I wanted to comment on one trend that we've seen so far. Obviously, Great Tusk is an incredible mon with ridiculously high usage, but there's an option that, while not a completely new innovation, has been getting a ton of traction recently: Great Tusk...
  13. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    I don't see why Covert Cloak Toxapex to decisively handle most Garganacl variants is seen as an extreme teambuilding compromise, but Shed Shell Toxapex in previous generations to kinda-sorta deal with Heatran was viewed more as a "cool tech". Not to equate Garganacl to Heatran (any direct...
  14. Vrin

    Resource Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread

    The moveset stats are a good resource for questions like this. The 1695 stats from last month show the following spreads for Scizor: +----------------------------------------+ | Spreads | | Adamant:248/252/0/0/8/0 17.529% | | Adamant:252/252/0/0/4/0...
  15. Vrin

    Resource Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread

    Because the Glimmora died to recoil. Not a bug; that's how it works in-game when a Pokemon kills itself during Rapid/Mortal Spin.
  16. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Figured I'd mention this since people are discussing the 80% threshold: For OU room, I ran a quick manual count of how the users who took >50 games to get reqs voted. I tallied the following results: Action: 32 No action: 30 No vote: 2 In other words, about 46~50% wanted no action. If these...
  17. Vrin

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Totally fine to disagree with a decision, but the process follows established precedent (at least to the extent that it's possible for RCV to do so) and is in line with the results of the community vote. Proceduralism is important in any process that seeks to distribute decision-making...
  18. Vrin

    Official SV OU Suspect Process - Round 1 Voting

    Action Outright ban Reveal Tera type at team preview 1 Tera user per team (first team slot) Only STAB Tera types allowed
  19. Vrin

    Project SV OU - Victim of the Week (Week 48: Assault Vest Hisuian Samurott)

    SpDef Roaring Moon is a counter to this set, even in the Sun. Roaring Moon @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Protosynthesis Tera Type: Water / Fairy / etc. EVs: 40 HP / 248 SpD / 220 Spe Careful Nature - Crunch - Earthquake - Roost - U-turn Given spread hits 329 Speed, meaning it outspeeds...
  20. Vrin

    Announcement np: SV OU Suspect Process, Round 1 - Oops!...I Did It Again

    "OU forum make a point without a forced allusion to something completely unrelated that spawns a 15 message chain of substanceless back-and-forths" challenge. ——— Anyway, having laddered some more, my thoughts have matured on Tera a bit. That doesn't mean they've cooled down; on the contrary...
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